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hi I am looking for help finding info on my gran's family Mary Jane young born 1908 in saint Giles Edinburgh to James young born England approx 1878 and Mary young nee Morrison born in England born approx. 1880 . I cant find where in England they were born,
they were married in march 1900 in Edinburgh Mary young's maiden name when she was married is muirhead mkensie her father was Edward mkensie and mother Susannah mkensie nee Morrison, James young's father was also James young and his mother was Jane young nee Stewart

On the 1911 census I did find 2 brothers with them both born in Edinburgh- john young born 1910 and Edward young born 1906 on there birth certificate's it says mothers maiden name is Mary muirhead mkensie. so don't know if she had a different mam but she was born in the middle of the two boys I don't know if they had any other children but she was meant to have a brother called jimmy (James) young that was in the forces, I am trying to find out what happened to Edward and john as well

Mary Jane young married William shotton gilchrist in Kensington, London in 1935
they had 2 children that we know of William shotton gilchrist born in surrey in 1936 and Jeanette Mary gilchrist born in Middlesbrough 1943, these children ended up in children's homes when she died in may 1943 there is meant to be other children, any thing any one can add to this would be really appreciated

Try FreeBMD for the children if they lived in England /Wales after they married

If the family stayed in Scotland then you need Scotlands People to look for possible marriages etc for the two brothers

Have you looked to see if anyone on here has any of these people in their trees?

You have put that Mary born in 1908 had mother:

'Mary young nee Morrison born in England born approx. 1880 . I cant find where in England (they) were born,
they were married in march 1900 in Edinburgh Mary young's maiden name when she was married is muirhead mkensie her father was Edward mkensie and mother Susannah mkensie nee Morrison,'

Probably Mary born 1880 was born to Susannah Morrison before Susannah's marriage to McKensie, so that is why there is the confusion over maiden names?

For the 'other' children...........look at

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Who registered this?

Death

Name: GILCHRIST, William Shotton
Registration district: Darlington
County: Durham
Year of registration: 1980
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Date of Birth:1 May 1907
Volume no: 1
Page no: 0931

And this?

Death

Name: GILCHRIST, William Shotten
Registration district: Weymouth
County: Dorset
Year of registration: 1993
Month of registration: June
Date of Birth:14 April 1936
District no: 4331A
Reg no: A3D
Ent no: 236
DOR: 693

Jeanette married in Darlington district

The other daughter (if indeed she was born to the same parents) married Young, and is on the ER for 2002 only - has probably since opted out of the version which is sold. However, her husband's name is listed in the current phone book at the same address

Have you found James and Mary in 1901? What was James's occupation?

Have you looked for Mary's birth?

It would be helpful if you posted the 1911 census.......................

The 1911 census :

Address: 16 Cowan's Close, Edinburgh
James Young, head, 33, married, general dealer, b.England.
Mary Young, wife, 31, married 12 yrs, 7 children, 3 living, b. England.
Edward Young, son, 7, school, b. Edinburgh
Mary Jane Young, daughter, 3, b. Edinburgh
John Young, son, 6 mths, b. Edinburgh

Can't see them in 1901.

I wonder?


1901 Scotland Census
James Muirhead

Age:23
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1878
Relationship:Head
Spouse's name :Mary Muirhead
Gender:Male
Where born:England
Registration District:St Giles

Civil Parish:Edinburgh Old Greyfriars
Address:133 Cowgate
Occupation:Hawker
James Muirhead 23
Mary Muirhead 21 b England
Thomas Muirhead 5 Mo b Edinburgh

Living at same address:

Name:Jon Mckenzie
Age:38
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1863
Relationship:Head
Spouse's name :Mary Mckenzie
Gender:Male
Address:133 Cowgate

Occupation:Painters Labourer
John Mckenzie 38
Mary Mckenzie 31 b Musselborough

I keep looking at this family (and keep getting nowhere):
1881 Ancestry
Name: Edward Moorhead
[Edward Morrison]
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Lucy A. Moorhead
Gender: Male
Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Caldewgate
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street Address: New Broadguards
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Pedlar (C Monger)
Registration District: Carlisle
Sub-registration District: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Piece: 5160
Folio: 57
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Moorhead 25
Lucy A. Moorhead 24
Joseph Moorhead 3
Mary Moorhead 12
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5160; Folio: 57; Page: 10

I can't spot them in 1891.

Maureen

Maureen, did you notice who was living next door:

Robert Sowerby Ann abt 1850 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England Head Caldewgate, Cumberland


Ann Sowerby Betty,
Robert abt 1853 Yorkshire, England Wife Caldewgate, Cumberland

Betty Morrison abt 1831 Whitehaven, Cumberland, England Mother in Law Caldewgate, Cumberland
Zachary Morrison abt 1865 Durham, England Brother in Law Caldewgate, Cumberland

Edward Moorhead Lucy A. abt 1856 Carlisle, Cumberland, England Head Caldewgate, Cumberland
Lucy A. Moorhead ? Edward abt 1857 Sebergham, Cumberland, England Wife Caldewgate, Cumberland
Joseph Moorhead Edward,Lucy A. abt 1878 Kendal, Westmorland, England Son Caldewgate, Cumberland
Mary Moorhead Edward,Lucy A. abt 1869 Carlisle, Cumberland, England Daughter Caldewgate, Cumberland
Lucy A. abt 1869 Carlisle, Cumberland, England Daughter Caldewgate

Edward McKenzie Sarah abt 1832 Carlisle, Cumberland, England Head Caldewgate, Cumberland
Sarah McKenzie Edward abt 1831 Carlisle, Cumberland, England Wife Caldewgate

The Sowerbys and the Morrisons seem to be living in the same house, with the Moorheads next door.

Somebody on Ancestry has added these other names for Lucy Moorhead:

Lucy A. Moorhead
[Susannah Moorhead]
[Susannah Morrison] - maiden name
[Hannah Morrison]

And on the 1901 has added this comment:

Susannah Was crushed by the wheel of her her Cart and she died in 1903.

Submitted by garrymccallum1 on 16/10/2011

[EDIT: I see some of this has already been posted while I was busy typing!]

Yes, I was looking at that too, Maureen, especially as the next door neighbour is an Edward Mckenzie.

Daughter Mary's age in 1881 might be meant to be 12 months, although image clearly says 12 years.

Births Mar 1880 (>99%)
MOORHEAD Mary Carlisle 10b 463

Marriages Mar 1876 (>99%)
MOORHEAD Edward Carlisle 10b 690
MORRISON Susannah Carlisle 10b 690

By 1901, Edward Moorhead seem to have a different wife, Hannah - but Ancestry (and an Ancestry user) suggests she's the same person, and I can't see a marriage of Edward to a Hannah after 1881.

1901 England Census about Hannah Moorhead
Name: Hannah Moorhead
[Susanna Moorhead]
[Susanna Morrison]
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: Edward Moorhead
Birth Place: Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Caldewgate
Town: Carlisle
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Moorhead 45
Hannah Moorhead 40
Joseph Moorhead 24
James Moorhead 18
Margaret Moorhead 16
Elizabeth Moorhead 13
Hannah Moorhead 7
Isabella Moorhead 2
Isabella Moorhead 48
Elizabeth Moorhead 15
Edward Moorhead 5

Note by Ancestry user:
Susannah Was crushed by the wheel of her her Cart and she died in 1903.
Submitted by garrymccallum1 on 16/10/2011

Deaths Mar 1903 (>99%)
Moorhead Susannah 40 Carlisle 10b 366

So on the face of it, she hadn't married Edward Mckenzie by 1900.
But Edward McKenzie (per james Young's marriage cert) was a hawker, and so was Edward Moorhead.
the next door neighbour Edward McKenzie was a general labourer in 1881.

I wonder if Susannah had had a dalliance with neighbour Edward McKenzie, and on Mary's marriage cert Mary said they were married, for respectability, even though Susannah was still with Edward Moorhead???

Too many coincidences to be disregarded, I feel.

As an aside, I wonder if this person is linked to the same confused family/families:


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Hannah McKinzie Moorhead
Name: Hannah McKinzie Moorhead
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1858
Registration District: Cockermouth
Inferred County: Cumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 487

Another comment posted by garrymccalum:

- 20/03/2011
Edward Moorhead Was my Great Grandfather. He later moved to Hamilton in Scotland. He had Two Kids Anna & Edward wirh Annie McCallum (Who was also a Hawker). He died in Hamilton and he was buirred on Common Ground at the Bent Cemetery.

This must have been after 1911 as Edward is on the 1911 census.

There is also this one:

Name:Hannah McKenzie Moorhead
Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1870
Registration District:Wigton
Inferred County:Cumberland
Volume:10b
Page:487

Odd that the vol and page numbers are the samd as the 1858.

There are a few McKenzie/McKinzie Moorhead births in Cumbria for the same period.

Potty - garrymccallum added a later correction - it wasn't Edward, it was his son Joseph:

*Correction, Joseph Moorhead was My Great Grandfather who later moved to Hamilton Scotland.
Submitted by garrymccallum1 on 29/08/2011

Must have missed that, AG. I wonder if this is the McKenzie/Moorhead connection? Haven't found them in 1871 yet:

Marriages Dec 1864 (>99%)
McKenzie Joseph Carlisle 10b 749 Scan available - click to view
Moorhead Eleanor Carlisle 10b 749 Scan available - click to view