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missjan
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3 Feb 2014 02:04 |
hi I am looking for help finding info on my gran's family Mary Jane young born 1908 in saint Giles Edinburgh to James young born England approx 1878 and Mary young nee Morrison born in England born approx. 1880 . I cant find where in England they were born, they were married in march 1900 in Edinburgh Mary young's maiden name when she was married is muirhead mkensie her father was Edward mkensie and mother Susannah mkensie nee Morrison, James young's father was also James young and his mother was Jane young nee Stewart
On the 1911 census I did find 2 brothers with them both born in Edinburgh- john young born 1910 and Edward young born 1906 on there birth certificate's it says mothers maiden name is Mary muirhead mkensie. so don't know if she had a different mam but she was born in the middle of the two boys I don't know if they had any other children but she was meant to have a brother called jimmy (James) young that was in the forces, I am trying to find out what happened to Edward and john as well Mary Jane young married William shotton gilchrist in Kensington, London in 1935 they had 2 children that we know of William shotton gilchrist born in surrey in 1936 and Jeanette Mary gilchrist born in Middlesbrough 1943, these children ended up in children's homes when she died in may 1943 there is meant to be other children, any thing any one can add to this would be really appreciated
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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3 Feb 2014 07:23 |
Try FreeBMD for the children if they lived in England /Wales after they married
If the family stayed in Scotland then you need Scotlands People to look for possible marriages etc for the two brothers
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patchem
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3 Feb 2014 07:46 |
Have you looked to see if anyone on here has any of these people in their trees?
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patchem
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3 Feb 2014 07:56 |
You have put that Mary born in 1908 had mother:
'Mary young nee Morrison born in England born approx. 1880 . I cant find where in England (they) were born, they were married in march 1900 in Edinburgh Mary young's maiden name when she was married is muirhead mkensie her father was Edward mkensie and mother Susannah mkensie nee Morrison,'
Probably Mary born 1880 was born to Susannah Morrison before Susannah's marriage to McKensie, so that is why there is the confusion over maiden names?
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ErikaH
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3 Feb 2014 08:49 |
For the 'other' children...........look at
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
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ErikaH
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3 Feb 2014 08:57 |
Who registered this?
Death
Name: GILCHRIST, William Shotton Registration district: Darlington County: Durham Year of registration: 1980 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Date of Birth:1 May 1907 Volume no: 1 Page no: 0931
And this?
Death
Name: GILCHRIST, William Shotten Registration district: Weymouth County: Dorset Year of registration: 1993 Month of registration: June Date of Birth:14 April 1936 District no: 4331A Reg no: A3D Ent no: 236 DOR: 693
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ErikaH
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3 Feb 2014 09:04 |
Jeanette married in Darlington district
The other daughter (if indeed she was born to the same parents) married Young, and is on the ER for 2002 only - has probably since opted out of the version which is sold. However, her husband's name is listed in the current phone book at the same address
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Potty
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3 Feb 2014 12:11 |
Have you found James and Mary in 1901? What was James's occupation?
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ErikaH
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3 Feb 2014 12:38 |
Have you looked for Mary's birth?
It would be helpful if you posted the 1911 census.......................
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ArgyllGran
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3 Feb 2014 13:48 |
The 1911 census :
Address: 16 Cowan's Close, Edinburgh James Young, head, 33, married, general dealer, b.England. Mary Young, wife, 31, married 12 yrs, 7 children, 3 living, b. England. Edward Young, son, 7, school, b. Edinburgh Mary Jane Young, daughter, 3, b. Edinburgh John Young, son, 6 mths, b. Edinburgh
Can't see them in 1901.
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Potty
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3 Feb 2014 14:20 |
I wonder?
1901 Scotland Census James Muirhead
Age:23 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1878 Relationship:Head Spouse's name :Mary Muirhead Gender:Male Where born:England Registration District:St Giles
Civil Parish:Edinburgh Old Greyfriars Address:133 Cowgate Occupation:Hawker James Muirhead 23 Mary Muirhead 21 b England Thomas Muirhead 5 Mo b Edinburgh Living at same address:
Name:Jon Mckenzie Age:38 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1863 Relationship:Head Spouse's name :Mary Mckenzie Gender:Male Address:133 Cowgate
Occupation:Painters Labourer John Mckenzie 38 Mary Mckenzie 31 b Musselborough
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MaureeninNY
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3 Feb 2014 14:26 |
I keep looking at this family (and keep getting nowhere): 1881 Ancestry Name: Edward Moorhead [Edward Morrison] Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Lucy A. Moorhead Gender: Male Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England Civil Parish: Caldewgate County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Street Address: New Broadguards Marital status: Married Occupation: Pedlar (C Monger) Registration District: Carlisle Sub-registration District: St Mary ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Piece: 5160 Folio: 57 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Edward Moorhead 25 Lucy A. Moorhead 24 Joseph Moorhead 3 Mary Moorhead 12 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5160; Folio: 57; Page: 10
I can't spot them in 1891.
Maureen
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Potty
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3 Feb 2014 15:14 |
Maureen, did you notice who was living next door:
Robert Sowerby Ann abt 1850 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England Head Caldewgate, Cumberland
Ann Sowerby Betty, Robert abt 1853 Yorkshire, England Wife Caldewgate, Cumberland Betty Morrison abt 1831 Whitehaven, Cumberland, England Mother in Law Caldewgate, Cumberland Zachary Morrison abt 1865 Durham, England Brother in Law Caldewgate, Cumberland Edward Moorhead Lucy A. abt 1856 Carlisle, Cumberland, England Head Caldewgate, Cumberland Lucy A. Moorhead ? Edward abt 1857 Sebergham, Cumberland, England Wife Caldewgate, Cumberland Joseph Moorhead Edward,Lucy A. abt 1878 Kendal, Westmorland, England Son Caldewgate, Cumberland Mary Moorhead Edward,Lucy A. abt 1869 Carlisle, Cumberland, England Daughter Caldewgate, Cumberland Lucy A. abt 1869 Carlisle, Cumberland, England Daughter Caldewgate
Edward McKenzie Sarah abt 1832 Carlisle, Cumberland, England Head Caldewgate, Cumberland Sarah McKenzie Edward abt 1831 Carlisle, Cumberland, England Wife Caldewgate
The Sowerbys and the Morrisons seem to be living in the same house, with the Moorheads next door.
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Potty
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3 Feb 2014 15:29 |
Somebody on Ancestry has added these other names for Lucy Moorhead:
Lucy A. Moorhead [Susannah Moorhead] [Susannah Morrison] - maiden name [Hannah Morrison]
And on the 1901 has added this comment:
Susannah Was crushed by the wheel of her her Cart and she died in 1903.
Submitted by garrymccallum1 on 16/10/2011
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ArgyllGran
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3 Feb 2014 15:30 |
[EDIT: I see some of this has already been posted while I was busy typing!]
Yes, I was looking at that too, Maureen, especially as the next door neighbour is an Edward Mckenzie.
Daughter Mary's age in 1881 might be meant to be 12 months, although image clearly says 12 years.
Births Mar 1880 (>99%) MOORHEAD Mary Carlisle 10b 463
Marriages Mar 1876 (>99%) MOORHEAD Edward Carlisle 10b 690 MORRISON Susannah Carlisle 10b 690
By 1901, Edward Moorhead seem to have a different wife, Hannah - but Ancestry (and an Ancestry user) suggests she's the same person, and I can't see a marriage of Edward to a Hannah after 1881.
1901 England Census about Hannah Moorhead Name: Hannah Moorhead [Susanna Moorhead] [Susanna Morrison] Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: Edward Moorhead Birth Place: Carlisle, Cumberland, England Civil Parish: Caldewgate Town: Carlisle County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Household Members: Name Age Edward Moorhead 45 Hannah Moorhead 40 Joseph Moorhead 24 James Moorhead 18 Margaret Moorhead 16 Elizabeth Moorhead 13 Hannah Moorhead 7 Isabella Moorhead 2 Isabella Moorhead 48 Elizabeth Moorhead 15 Edward Moorhead 5
Note by Ancestry user: Susannah Was crushed by the wheel of her her Cart and she died in 1903. Submitted by garrymccallum1 on 16/10/2011
Deaths Mar 1903 (>99%) Moorhead Susannah 40 Carlisle 10b 366
So on the face of it, she hadn't married Edward Mckenzie by 1900. But Edward McKenzie (per james Young's marriage cert) was a hawker, and so was Edward Moorhead. the next door neighbour Edward McKenzie was a general labourer in 1881.
I wonder if Susannah had had a dalliance with neighbour Edward McKenzie, and on Mary's marriage cert Mary said they were married, for respectability, even though Susannah was still with Edward Moorhead???
Too many coincidences to be disregarded, I feel.
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ArgyllGran
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3 Feb 2014 15:45 |
As an aside, I wonder if this person is linked to the same confused family/families:
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Hannah McKinzie Moorhead Name: Hannah McKinzie Moorhead Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1858 Registration District: Cockermouth Inferred County: Cumberland Volume: 10b Page: 487
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Potty
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3 Feb 2014 15:55 |
Another comment posted by garrymccalum:
- 20/03/2011 Edward Moorhead Was my Great Grandfather. He later moved to Hamilton in Scotland. He had Two Kids Anna & Edward wirh Annie McCallum (Who was also a Hawker). He died in Hamilton and he was buirred on Common Ground at the Bent Cemetery.
This must have been after 1911 as Edward is on the 1911 census.
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Potty
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3 Feb 2014 16:02 |
There is also this one:
Name:Hannah McKenzie Moorhead Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1870 Registration District:Wigton Inferred County:Cumberland Volume:10b Page:487
Odd that the vol and page numbers are the samd as the 1858.
There are a few McKenzie/McKinzie Moorhead births in Cumbria for the same period.
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ArgyllGran
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3 Feb 2014 16:07 |
Potty - garrymccallum added a later correction - it wasn't Edward, it was his son Joseph:
*Correction, Joseph Moorhead was My Great Grandfather who later moved to Hamilton Scotland. Submitted by garrymccallum1 on 29/08/2011
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Potty
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3 Feb 2014 16:15 |
Must have missed that, AG. I wonder if this is the McKenzie/Moorhead connection? Haven't found them in 1871 yet:
Marriages Dec 1864 (>99%) McKenzie Joseph Carlisle 10b 749 Scan available - click to view Moorhead Eleanor Carlisle 10b 749 Scan available - click to view
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