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Thank you, although frustratingly there is more than one John and Elizabeth/Betty Worrall with children being baptised at that time?
Elizabeth Worrall
England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000
christening: 1 January 1800 , Frodsham, Cheshire, England
residence: 1 January 1800 , , England, Cheshire
father: John Worrall
mother: Betty Worrall
Elizabeth Worrall
England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000
christening: 27 April 1800 , Frodsham, Cheshire, England
residence: 27 April 1800 , , England, Cheshire
father: John Worrall
mother: Elizabeth Worrall
Susan Worrall
England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000
christening: 14 July 1805 , Frodsham, Cheshire, England
residence: 14 July 1805 , , England, Cheshire
father: John Worrall
mother: Elizabeth
Mary Worrall
England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000
christening: 8 March 1808 , Frodsham, Cheshire, England
residence: 8 March 1808 , , England, Cheshire
father: John Worrall
mother: Betty
Short of a visit to Chester, is there an easier way to look at the records themselves?
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This also looks like Betsey's twin, Joseph:
Joseph Worrall
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
birth: 1839
burial: 24 February 1853 Frodsham, Cheshire, England
residence: 24 February 1853 , Frodsham, Cheshire, England
Name Joseph Worrall
Event Type Burial
Event Date 24 Feb 1853
Event Place Frodsham, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Age 14
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This is the complete h/h (plus next door) corresponding to Reggie's partial 1841 census:
1841 Englandd Census Transcription
Birth County:CHESHIRE [for everyone]
Street:OVERTON
Parish:FRODSHAM
City:-
County:Cheshire
Country:ENGLAND
House Number:-
House Name:-
Registration District:RUNCORN
Town:FRODSHAM
Archive Reference:HO107 Piece Number:97 Book:8 Folio:20 Page:1
RICHARD WORRALL 1791 50 Ag Lab
HANNAH WORRALL 1796 45
RICHARD WORRALL 1821 20
JOSEPH WORRALL 1832 9
ELIZABETH WORRALL 1833 8
ELIZA WORRALL 1835 6
==Next house ===================================
SAMUEL WORRALL 1816 25 Ag Lab
SUSANAH WORRALL 1806 35
JOSEPH WORRALL 1841 0[6m]
ELIZABETH WORRALL 1841 0[6m]
Note that Shirley's 1841 census has the ref:
Archive Reference:HO107 Piece Number:97 Book:8 Folio:10 Page:3
and the addy is Hartley (which is abt 1km W of Netherton).
An aside:
Go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html and input the coords 351000,377100
Then select the 1873 1:2500 map (the oldest available at a usable scale).
The coords are for 100m E of Hartley, so as to get Netherton in frame too.
End of aside.
If one is going to investigate relationships between the Worrall's, it would help to have an easy way of finding the 1841 Worrals at this end of Frodsham. On Ancestry, one can search just one census year (except 1901, which they recently broke) using just bits of the census ref, so select the 1841 census, enter Worrall, and the piece # =97 plus the book # =8, and you get 39 hits. If you have an Ancestry sub, then you can just click on the names to get details and images. If you don't then all you get to see are the names and ages, but if you've got a GR or FMP sub, you can look them up, in particular:
Piece Folio Page Full name Registration district
HO107/97 8/14 10 WORRALL, Joseph Runcorn a=15
HO107/97 8/27 14 WORRALL, Thomas Runcorn a=50
HO107/97 8/29 18 WORRALL, Thomas Runcorn a=35
HO107/97 8/31 22 WORRALL, John Runcorn a=35
HO107/97 8/42 18 WORRALL, Samuel Runcorn a=35
gets images of the other 22 Worrall's.
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Peter - I presume you've been checking out the appropriate collections at:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND
Although these say "no image available", they're just meaning via their site.
The image is available on FMP (and GR, I presume).
E.g. Sam & Sue's 1841 marr is by banns, and the witnesses are Samuel Burkhill (I think - there is one in ho107/97/8/etc) & Thomas Warburton. Witnesses are often rellies, but Sam & Sue made marks, and Thos is also a witness on the other marr on that page, so I thought I'ld check if Thos was a "professional" witness (usually a mate of the parish clerk). I checked the names on the GRO pages preceeding and following Sam & Sue's page. Since there's a local index for this church, I could find an entry for the next quarter, and so compile a list of adjacent entries.
Maybe the UK version of FMP just lets me click to the next image, but I've not got that. Anyways, I've prefixed a W on those marrs where Thos Warburton is a witness:
1841q1
Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1841
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
- FRYER Samuel NICKSON Mary A Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/89
- BROWN Peter MANTON Sarah Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/90
- ASHLEY Ellen PICKERING John R Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/91
W GARNER Mary LITTLEMORE John Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/92
W DODD William H T SMITH Margaret Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/93
W ABRAHAMS Samuel DARLINGTON Martha Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/94
W*WORRALL Samuel WORRALL Susan Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/95
W CARRINGTON John LEECH Sarah Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/96
W JONES Charles SMITH Mary Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/97
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W DARWELL Thomas FENNEY Mary Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/98
W WOODS Samuel RAWLINSON Betsy Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/99
W ASTON Ann CLARK Joseph Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/100
- WATSON John HAMBLETON Mary Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/101
W WORRALL Anne CLARK Joseph Frodsham, St Lawrence Cheshire West 125/1/102
So fromour marr, the 6 preceeding marrs, and the 7 following marrs, Thos is a witness on 10 of the 14 - a professional witness, I would say.
General link for local indexes:
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd
in particular:
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/
INB I've sent Peter a pm re-my sending images to him.
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Wow mgnv, thank you so much. I am flying out to the Netherlands tomorrow for several weeks with a work contract so may be offline (not if I can avoid it), but I will return to this. I intend on visiting the Chester RO soon to check into these families more there, and your use of the maps is astounding! Absolutely amazing to see and I've not heard of that idea before (I mean digitially).
With this, thank you for placing Samuel next to his father Richard (c.1785-1847) - wow, fascinating. I am just sorry I am going to have to leave it for a while but thank you!
Very best wishes,
Peter
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