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We are looking for any info for a Edwin James Lewis (Ted)

Dob 1896 (very rough estimate based on information from relatives)

In 1951 he Resided at 71 Wilsham rd, London W12

1952-1966 He resided at 64 Ravenscourt Rd, London

We believe at some point he worked on the buses as a conductor.

We don't know his parents names or where he was born, so we are looking for any suggestions about where to go next.

Hi Simon.

Just to confirm - I take it this person wasn't married as far as you know?

Have you checked on Freebmd? There are 3 births which fit your info, but without knowing more it would be impossible to say if one is yours:

Births Mar 1895 (>99%)
Lewis Edwin James Bedwelty 11a 71

Births Sep 1897 (>99%)
Lewis Edwin James Llanelly 11a 1062

Births Mar 1898 (>99%)
Lewis Edwin James Chepstow 11a 12

Jan

Simon, how have you connected to Ted in the first place? If you have some background then it might help us find the right records.

This is the place to start looking........

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Do his 'relatives' know when and where he died?

How are they connected to him?

What documentary proof is there of his places of abode which you quote?

Hi folks,

Ted is the father of my aunt, her parents were not married and the addresses we have are from the bastardy orders that were made against him. The only details these show are his full name and his address, there is no date of birth but my aunt's older brother thought that he was about ten years older than their mother. My aunt appreciates that he will be long gone by now but she would like to know who he was and where she comes from.

We appreciate any help that can be given.

Simon

Presumably this is him from the ER's:

Edwin J Lewis
Year: 1957
County or Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Ward or Division/Constituency: Barons Court
Street Address: 8 Ravenscourt Road (No, it is 64)

Also at 64 are Hilda F and Olive A Kirkham, Daisy E Roe, and Edward W Woodell.

Added: Also there in 1954.

Hi, sorry for delay in replying, yes that is him (we also found him at the other address). My aunt has looked at the properties and they are houses that are converted flats so we assume the others are the other residents.

Do you think this one is too young?

Births Jun 1900
LEWIS Frank Edwin J St.Geo.East 1c 363

Frank Edwin J Lewis
Birth Date: 22 Feb 1900
Date of Registration: Sep 1973
Age at Death: 73
Registration District: Lambeth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5d
Page: 231

It is just that he is London based.

(Does anyone know if he had a Welsh accent, to try and eliminate this one or the other ones?)

This one seems to have died close to his birthplace:

Name: Edwin James Lewis
Birth Date: 31 Jul 1897
Date of Registration: Mar 1978
Age at Death: 80
Registration District: Llanelly
Inferred County: Dyfed
Volume: 24
Page: 2436

Bit older....

Name: Edwin James Lewis
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 16 Jul 1893
Father's Name: Edwin James Lewis
Mother's Name: Sarah Lewis
Parish or Poor Law Union: Notting Hill All Saints
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Parish Registers

EDIT: Image says father a tram conductor. Address 15 Bramley Road

1911:

Address: Wellington Lines Aldershot County: Surrey

Person: LEWIS, Edwin Jas
Institution: 1st Cavalry Brigade 19th Hussars
Military details: Private 19th Hussars

LEWIS, Edwin Jas Single ? 18 1893 London Kensington

Looks like his dad was a tram conductor....

Census 1901:

Address: 36, Stebbing Street, Hammersmith County: London

LEWIS, Edwin J Head Married M 35 1866 Tram Conductor
Hammersmith, London<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
LEWIS, Sarah Wife Married F 30 1871 Ironer (Laundry)
Hammersmith, London
LEWIS, Albert J Son Single M 12 1889 Kensington, London
LEWIS, Caroline M Daughter Single F 11 1890 Kensington, London
LEWIS, Edwin J Son Single M 7 1894 Kensington, London<<<<<<<<
LEWIS, Ellen H Daughter Single F 6 1895 Kensington, London
LEWIS, Florence A Daughter Single F 4 1897 Hammersmith, London
LEWIS, Walter D Son Single M 1 1900 Hammersmith, London

Difficulty is, it's not an uncommon name, and you don't know enough about place or year of birth to accuratelyy narrow it down easily.

Not sure if this is the father or son in my previous post:

Name: Edwin James Lewis
Probate Date: 14 Jan 1932
Death Date: 19 Dec 1903
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: London, England

Death date actually 19th Dec 1931 112 Latimer Rd Hammersmith. Admin to Albert John Lewis plasterer, £430 16s 8d.

EDIT:

Looks like the father:

Deaths Dec 1931 Lewis Edwin J 67 Hammersmith 1a 274

Question is, did the son become a bus conductor, following in the footsteps of his father who was a tram conductor in 1901 census????

Father still a conductor in 1911 census:

Address: 28 Stebbing St Notting Hill WCounty: London

LEWIS, Edwin James Head Married M 46 1865 Conductor Kensington London
LEWIS, Sarah Wife Married 25 years F 42 1869 Ironer Hamerth London
LEWIS, Caroline Mary Daughter Single F 20 1891 Ironer Hamerth London
LEWIS, Florence Annie Daughter F 13 1898 School Hamerth London
LEWIS, Winnfred Annie Daughter F 6 1905 School Hamerth London

Birth to go with the 1911 census Kucinta posted
Births Sep 1893
Lewis Edwin James Kensington 1a 81

Roy

HI Roy, I posted the baptism as well, but obviously birth cert would have Sarah's maiden name.

Do you think I'm placing too much on the tram conductor coincidence?

Marriage of Edwiin James sr and Sarah?

Name: Edwin James Lewis<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Age: 22
Spouse Name: Sarah Slade<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Oct 1886
Parish: Kensington St Helen
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea<<<<<<<<<<<<
Father Name: Edwin James Lewis
Spouse Father: David Slade
Register Type: Parish Register

On the marriage cert, both Edwin James c1866 and his dad, yet ANOTHER Edwin James are plasterers as was the son of Edwin James c1866, Albert J in the probate record . Groom's address 9 Pilchester Terrace and bride's 163 Latimer Road ( Road name sounds familiar from the probate record) Bride'a father a wood dealer.

I have no idea how you would fathom if this family is right, or a total red herring.
:-(

No, Although Lewis is a common name it's not that common in the london area and their are not many london births or marriages for a Edwin James Lewis in the london area either, Their are two marriages that would fit one in Lambeth march Q 1918 and another more likely in Hammersmith march 1924 if he was a married man at the time then that could explain his absence and the bastardy orders

Roy

So you think there's a chance this might be along the right lines?

But how to actually prove it. :-S

EDIT, Definitely not the 1918 marriage, he has the wrong father.

SECOND EDIT: But I suppose this man is also a candidate for 'Ted'.

Name: Edwin James Lewis - gunner Royal Field Artillery
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Age: 25
Spouse Name: Rosina Violet Jones
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 Mar 1918
Parish: Lambeth St Andrew
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Edward George Lewis - carpet planner
Spouse Father: James Jones - deceased storekeeper
Register Type: Parish Register

But as you said the Hammersmith marriage looks more likely but sadly too late to be covered by the LMA marriage records.

:-S Thats the problem,

Must go to bed now so will sleep on it

Roy

Not the tram conductor father as he died in 1931:

Name: Edwin James Lewis
Year: 1936
County or Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hammersmith
Street Address: 42 Warbeck Road

With Hilda Frances Kirkham

Name: Edwin James Lewis
Year: 1937
County or Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hammersmith
Street Address: 11 Blomfield Mansion

With Hilda Frances Amy Kirkham, and others listed.


Name: Edwin James Lewis
Year: 1938
County or Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hammersmith
Street Address: 11 Stanlake Villas

Again, with Hilda Frances Amy Kirkham amongst others.

Hilda F A Kirkham seems to be a bit of a fixture in his life...

Just to confuse the issue...Edwin James Lewis aka 'Ted' was living in same abode as Hilda F A Kirkham in 1936 as I posted above.

In 1936, an Edwin James Lewis and a Minnie Ethel Lewis are living together, at 27 Lansdowne Crescent and would seem to relate to the 1924 Hammersmith marriage.

Marriages Mar 1924
Lewis Edwin J Patience Hammersmith 1a 436
Patience Minnie E Lewis Hammersmith 1a 436

Name: Edwin James Lewis
Year: 1936
County or Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Ward or Division/Constituency: Kensington

This Edwin and Minnie also at the same address in 1937. and at 186 Ladbroke Grove in 1932:

Name: Edwin James Lewis
Year: 1932
County or Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Ward or Division/Constituency: Kensington

I have work tomorrow, so I'll catch up with what Roy and Simon make of this later...

Are these two different Edwin J's, or did he get registered twice over, once with the wife, and once with Hilda?

The similar locality of these deaths aroused my attention Note this Edwin J. was born c1893:

Name: Hilda Frances A Kirkham<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Birth Date: 3 Feb 1901
Date of Registration: Apr 1986
Age at Death: 85
Registration District: Worthing<<<<<<<<<<<
Inferred County: West Sussex<<<<<<<<<<<<
Volume: 18
Page: 2132

Name: Edwin J Lewis<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Birth Date: abt 1893<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Date of Registration: Sep 1968
Age at Death: 75
Registration District: Worthing<<<<<<<<<<
Inferred County: Sussex<<<<<<<<<<<<
Volume: 5h
Page: 833

Hilda was already married....

Born 3rd Feb 1901 according to her death record:

Births Mar 1901 Keymer Hilda Frances A Woolwich 1d 1268

Marriages Mar 1923
Keymer Hilda F A Kirkham St.Asaph 11b 413 -
Kirkham Arthur J Keymer St.Asaph 11b 413

Daur Olive A (mentioned as living 64 Ravenscourt Rd in 1957) born 1926

Births Sep 1926 Kirkham Olive A Keymer Droitwich 6c 288


Hilda already living in Warbeck Road by 1934, no sign of her husband.

Name: Hilda Frances Kirkham
Year: 1934
County or Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hammersmith
Street Address: 33 Warbeck Road-

and in 1946 she was living at 64 Ravenscourt Road according to the image of this record:

Name: Hilda F Kirkham
Year: 1946
County or Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hammersmith
Street Address: 64 Iks

So Edwin James Lewis lived with Hilda pre war in whatever capacity; there is a period when they don't share the same address, then they are back to living at the same address namely 64 Ravenscourt Rd by 1953 (mistranscribed - Ravenscourt on image)

Name: Edwin J Lewis
Year: 1953
County or Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hammersmith
Street Address: 64 Lilian