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Hi.
This is what I know:-

Sometime between 1901 and 1912 Edmund David Button (28/12/1882 Pimlico London) went to Canada. I cannot find any record of his trip to or from Canada

He married Eva Naomi Kemp(1880-1942) on 3/10/1912 in Brandon Manitoba, Canada.
He joined the Canadian Army in 1915.

Between 1917 and 1930 he had five children with Alice Edith Cavey (28/11/1981 New Romney Kent). They never married.

What I would like to know is did Edmund and Eva have any children. I cannot find any evidence of any on Ancestry nor FMP but I wondered if any Canadian members had better resources.

Gerry :-)

This census says he emigrated 1908:

1911 Census of Canada
about Edmund Button Name: Edmund Button
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 28
Birth Date: Dec 1882
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Immigration Year: 1908
Tribal: English
Province: Manitoba
District: Brandon
District Number: 15
Sub-District Number: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edmund Button 28

Thank you Margee. I managed to miss that Census

This is him returning to Canada in 1918 at the end of the war so how could he be fathering children in England between 1917-30?

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Edmund Button Name: Edmund Button
Date of Arrival: 21 Mar 1918
Vessel: Olympic
Search Ship Database: View the 'Olympic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4757

because of strict privacy laws the only bmd record for any children in Manitoba would be if one died more than 70 years ago ... the cutoff for births is 100 years

http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php

... 1912 is 101 years ago now :-) but there was only one Button after 1911, 26 Dec 1912, in Winnipeg, and mother was a Smith

there are 7 Button deaths but none of them match someone born within a few years after 1912

the other possibility is to look for marriages (more than 80 years ago i.e. before 1933) but that again leaves you right on the cusp and there is no way to tell from the records on line who the parents were


Did Edmund by any chance have a brother Stanley Amos Button? died in Brandon 1920 aged 38

Births Mar 1882
Button Stanley Amos W. Ham 4a 51

... no, coincidence, they are not brothers in the 1891/1901 English censuses

he must have turned around and come back to England after being shipped home :-)

Name: Edmund D Button
Birth Date: abt 1883
Date of Registration: Mar 1954
Age at Death: 71
Registration District: Brighton
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 5h
Page: 150

Could this be Eva Naomi's death?

Web: International, Find A Grave Index
about Eva Naomi Button Name: Eva Naomi Button
Birth Date: 1880
Age at Death: 62
Death Date: 1942
Burial Place: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Thank you Margee and Joonie

He deffo had a child in 1917 - Edmund Norman b 14/3/1917 in Lambeth. Perhaps he was on leave from army and spent it in London!!

Blimey Joonie those privacy laws must make life very difficult for you in your research. Yep, that's his death 11/2/1954. He had four siblings, 3 girls and Frederick Albert

fortunately I don't have any Canadian research to do particularly :-)

I did look at familysearch for anything I could find about a relation of my partner who emigrated to Canada ... knowing only that she married a Mr Smith, yes, Mr Smith. I couldn't find a marriage (I don't think there was one) and it was too recent (early 1920s) to find birth records ... the only other piece of information was what his occupation might have been ...

a hopeless task? :-D

What I found at familysearch was the infant death in the early 1920s of a child of a Mr Smith with the right wife's given name and when I looked for that Mr Smith in the 1911 census (before the 'marriage' so I couldn't even hope to find them together until the 1921 census came out) ... there he was with the right occupation.

all finally confirmed by the 1921 census ... but still no marriage!

sometimes, luck is on your side :-)
... although I don't want to say that the death of a child was luck of course ...


by the way this also works in Australia which also has stricter privacy laws

sometimes although the birth of a child falls after the cutoff date, the child may have died before the later cutoff date for deaths (which is 1983 for NSW for example) and the index will show the parents' given names, so searching by surname and parents' names alone will find that information which can be useful for confirming marriages and timelines

I wonder where Eva was in 1916 and 1921?

She was in Brandon in 1911, immigrated 1908.

I don't have access to details of Canadian records at Ancestry, but using the search function I can't find her in either year

she was already in Edmonton when Edmund was attested in 1915

http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc002/278398a.gif

so possibly if they did have children it was in Alberta and I have found in the past that there are just no accessible records there

but finding her in the 1916 or 1921 census could give an answer .......... Edmund was attested in July but I can't find what date the census was taken, but if it was before 16 July he should be there too

can't find them here either

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1916/Pages/1916.aspx

here we are, it began on 1 June 1916

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1916/Pages/about-census.aspx

I think this is possibly her in 1916:

1916 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta
about Eva N* Burton Name: Eva N* Burton
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Age: 34
Est. Birth Year: 1882
Birthplace: England
Home in 1916: 09B, Edmonton East, Alberta
Address: 10128, 87th St
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Sub District Desc.: (A - I) inclusive, City of Edmonton, such portion as is situated in this district according to the Representation Act, 1914.
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Taylor 50
Mary Emilie Taylor 53
Elsie Taylor 13
Eva N* Burton 34

Looks like Button on image. She's.a lodger.

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966


Name:Edmund David Button Of: 58 Regency Sq

Probate Date:30 Oct 1954

Death Date:11 Feb 1954

Death Place:Brighton, England
Registry:London, England


Probate to: Kenneth Herbert Duffield, local government officer & Emanuel Fryde, solicitors managing clerk £3919 15s

This says Edmund Norman was born 1919:

England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005
about Edmund N Button Name: Edmund N Button
Mother's Maiden Surname: Cavey
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1919
Registration District: Lambeth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 559


But this gives birthdate 1917:

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Edmund Norman Button Name: Edmund Norman Button
Birth Date: 14 May 1917
Date of Registration: Dec 1971
Age at Death: 54
Registration District: Bedford
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 4a
Page: 217

His father is named here. Previously at Great Munden.


London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911 about Edmund Button
Name: Edmund Button
Age: 9
Birth Date: 28 Dec 1882
School: Ackmar Road School
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Admission Date: 13 Jun 1892
Parent: Henry N Button of 24 Eddiscumbe? Rd
Notes: Ackmar Road School (0653) opened 1884, in 1951 became Parson's Green Secondary School for Boys and Ackmar Primary School. A class for partially deaf children was established at the school in 1898
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV01/ACK/AD/001

Margee

Is the above man the son of Edmund David?

:-S

Edit: There are another couple of Button/Cavey births on freebmd but I cant see a marriage for a couple with those names

Baptism (Find My Past)
First names:David Edmund
Surname:Button
Baptism year:1883
Baptism month:Mar
Baptism day:7
Parish:St Gabriel, Warwick Square, Pimlico
County:Middlesex
Birth year:1882
Birth month:Dec
Birth day:28
Father's First names:Henry Newman (Post Office Messenger)
Mother's First names:Fanny Isabella
Record source:Westminster Baptisms- Transcripts
Data provider:Westminster Archives
(4, Coleshill Buildings, Ebury Street)

Chris :)

Here he is in his younger days,


1891 census transcription details for: 2, Gravel Pit, Cowleys, Great Munden, Stockholds
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 1095
Folio: 26
Page: 7
Reg. District: Ware
Sub District: Standon
Parish: Great Munden
Enum. District: 3
Ecclesiastical District: Great Munden
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 2, Gravel Pit, Cowleys, Great Munden, Stockholds
County: Hertfordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
WALLIS, George Head Married M 56 1835 Agricultural Labourer
Great Munden, Hertfordshire
WALLIS, Susan Wife Married F 54 1837
Great Munden, Hertfordshire
WALLIS, Alice E Daughter Single F 21 1870 School Teacher
Great Munden, Hertfordshire
BUTTON, Emily D Visitor F 11 1880 Scholar
Great Munden, Hertfordshire
BUTTON, Ethel V Visitor F 9 1882 Scholar
Pimlico, London
BUTTON, Edward D Visitor M 8 1883 Scholar
Pimlico, London
CHEENEY, Frederick Visitor M 6 1885 Scholar
Pimlico, London




London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Violet Ethel Button
Name: Violet Ethel Button
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 5 Feb 1882
Father's Name: Henry Newman Button
Mother's Name: Fanny Isabella Button
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Botolph, Aldgate
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Emily Harriett Button
Name: Emily Harriett Button
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 24 Aug 1879
Father's Name: Henry Newman Button
Mother's Name: Fanny Isabella Button
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Botolph, Aldgate
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers

Person:Ed BUTTON (Labourer 21?)
Departure date:23 April 1908
Port of departure:Liverpool
Destination port:Montreal
Destination country:Canada
Ship:OTTAWA

(possible Outgoing with an Emily 26 Domestic)

Chris :)

Deaths Mar 1952 (>99%)
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BUTTON Emily H 75 Hammersmith 5c 849

(thought might be above, but saw below!)

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
Emily Harriett Button
Gender:
Female
Christening Date:
10 Sep 1876
Christening Place:
Hastings, Sussex, England
Father's Name:
Henry Button
Mother's Name:
Ann

1911 census transcription details for: 106 Fort Road Bermondsey
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN1889 RG78PN67 RD24 SD2 ED21 SN561
Reg. District: St Olave (Bermondsey)
Sub District: Bermondsey
Parish: Bermondsey
Enum. District: 21
Address: 106 Fort Road Bermondsey
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BUTTON, Henry Newman Head Married M 55 1856 Mail Porter General Post Office City of London
BUTTON, Sally Jane Wife Married
18 years F 44 1867 Bermondsey London
BUTTON, Daisy Daughter Single F 18 1893 Cashier Waitress Lambeth London
BUTTON, Bertha Daughter Single F 15 1896 Frilling Machines Bermondsey London
BUTTON, Henry B Cecil Son Single M 12 1899 School Bermondsey London
BUTTON, Herbert Frederick Son Single M 9 1902 School Bermondsey London
BUTTON, Sidney Victor Son Single M 7 1904 School Bermondsey London
BUTTON, Leonard Courtman Son M 4 1907 Bermondsey London
BUTTON, Waller Nelson Son M 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Bermondsey London



1901 census transcription details for: 141, Fort Road, Bermondsey
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 394
Folio: 178
Page: 20
Reg. District: St Olave Southwark
Sub District: Bermondsey
Parish: Bermondsey
Enum. District: 47
Ecclesiastical District: St Anne
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 141, Fort Road, Bermondsey
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BUTTON, Henry N Head Married M 45 1856 Post Office Porter
City, London
BUTTON, Sally J Wife Married F 35 1866
Bermondsey, London
BUTTON, Daisy Daughter F 8 1893
Lambeth, London
BUTTON, Bertha Daughter F 5 1896
Bermondsey, London
BUTTON, Henry C Son M 2 1899
Bermondsey, London
GREEN, George Visitor Married M 62 1839 Swiss Embroidery Carder
Brentford, Middlesex
GREEN, Annie Visitor Married F 61 1840 Umbrella Framer
Queenhithe, London


??

Civil Registration event: Death
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Name: BUTTON, Fanny Isabella
Registration district: Kensington
County: London
Year of registration: 1893
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death: 38
Volume no: 1A
Page no: 132

England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 about Henry Newman Button
Name: Henry Newman Button
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1855
Age: 21
Father's Name: Newman Button
Spouse's Name: Fanny Isabella Whale
Spouse's Age: 20
Spouse's Father's Name: Daniel Whale
Marriage Date: 2 Jul 1876
Marriage Place: Westminster, London, England



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Henry Newman Button
Name: Henry Newman Button, widower, S Mailman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Age: 38
Spouse Name: Sally Jane Roberts
Spouse Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 13 May 1894
Parish: Lambeth St Andrew
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Frederick Button, deceased
Spouse Father: Benjamin Ephrain Roberts, leather dresser
Register Type: Parish Register