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Hi Guys, having difficulty with this one... My Alfred Horatio Sheaf born Portsea Hampshire England in 1855 was the son of Mary Ann Smith above and Aaron Sheaf.

I have purchased the birth of Alfred Horatio Sheaf assuming his mother would be Smith but it says his mother was Mary Ann Sheaf "formally" Goodall ??

I have since traced a marriage for Aaron Sheaf and Mary Ann Goodall in 1850.
They had their first child Emma Frances Sheaf who is listed on the 1851 census aged 7 months but they are living with grandparents John SMITH and Charlotte?

Then came George Sheaf 1853 and Alfred H Sheaf 1855 and they are listed on the 1861 census with Aaron and Mary Ann and still living with grandparents John SMITH and Charlotte..

I'm confused and I have come to the conclusion that either Mary Ann married briefly to a Goodall or she was adopted. I'm not finding her or her parents John and Charlotte in the 1841 census... Heeelp

:-S

Should that be 'formerly'? It makes a difference.................

Where did you get the 'info' that Mary was named SMITH? Any documentary evidence?

SMITH could be Mary's stepfather...............

have you looked for Mary's baptism?

She is on the 1851 and 1861 census with her parents John Smith and Charlotte. Her husband a fisherman Aaron is listed as "son-in-law" and her children are listed as "grandchildren" I would have expected the grandparents to be "Goodall" but they SMITH... :-S

SMITH, John Head Married M 52 1799 Labourer
Portsea, Hampshire VIEW
SMITH, Charlotte Wife Married F 53 1798
Portsea, Hampshire VIEW
SHEAF, Mary Ann Daughter Married F 20 1831
Portsea, Hampshire VIEW
SHEAF, Aaron Son-In-Law Married M 21 1830 Fisherman
Portsea, Hampshire VIEW
SHEAF, Emma F Grand Daughter Unmarried F 0 (7 MOS) 1851
Portsea, Hampshire VIEW

Piece: 1657

Folio: 215

Page: 3

Registration District: Portsea Island

Civil Parish: Portsea

Municipal Borough: Portsmouth

Address: Rudmore, Portsea, Portsmouth

County: Hampshir

I cant find a baptism! on the census they say she was born Portsea.

:-(

Just stop a moment and consider that Mary's mother was Charlotte Goodall, and that she may have married John Smith after Mary was born

Buy Mary's marriage cert.................to see whether she knew who her father was

On Alfred Horatio Sheafs birth record it lists his mother Mary Ann Sheaf "formally" Goodall residing at Rudmore Place Portsea. So shes had her son while still living with parents John and Charlotte Smith..

Day:21
Month:Aug
Year:1831
Son/Daughter:Daughter
Forename:Mary Anne
Surname:Goodall
First Parent:William
Second Parent:Charlotte

Notes:of KingstonParish:Portsea St MaryCounty:HampshireRecord source:Hampshire Baptisms Data provider:Hampshire Genealogical Society

Please take the blinkers off....................and read the suggestion I made earlier

Mmm okay Reggie, will see if I can find them on the 1841 census under the name of Goodall first. Thanks

Aww Reggie, am just up... :-\ Thanks for that birth details...
;-)

I cant help it if our better at this than me.. <3 <3

I don't profess to be 'better' than anyone.............but it is important just to take your time, and consider all possibilities

1871
SHEATH, Aaron Head M 37 1834 Hampshire
SHEATH, Amelia Wife F 23 1848 Hampshire
SHEATH, Emily Daughter F 1 1870 Hampshire
SHEATH, Alfred Son By Former Wife M 15 1856 Hampshire
SAGE, William Boarder M 44 1827 Surrey
SAGE, Mary Ann Boarder's Wife F 46 1825 Hampshire
SAGE, Hatty Daughter F 15 1856 Middlesex
SAGE, William Son M 12 1859 Middlesex
Piece: 1162
Folio: 22
Page: 2
Registration District: Isle of Wight
Civil Parish: Newport
Municipal Borough: Newport
Address: Pyle Street, Newport
County: Hampshire

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=478858.30

(could be item relating to Aaron on above)


http://www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/index.htm

(above useful, IOW)

Chris :)

Marriages Dec 1867 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------
Sage Amelia Alverstoke 2b 915
SHEAF Aaron Alverstoke 2b 915

No record of the Goodall/Smith marriage on FMP................I haven't looked on familysearch

there is this ???
Name: John Smith
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Charlotte Sharks Or Goodall
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 26 Jun 1842
Event Place: Saint Marys,Portsea,Hampshire,England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M06261-3
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 919748, 919749, 919750, 919751, 919752, 919753, 919754, 919755
Reference ID:


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about John Smith
Name: John Smith
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1842
Registration District: Portsea Island
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume Number: 7
Page Number: 194
Records on Page:
Name
Margaret Beck
Henry William Brown
Charlotte Goodall ******
Thomas Hollis
Ann Huit
William Lewis
John Smith
Mary Ann Wade

Definitely better than me tho Reggie, and yes your quiet right, I should consider all possibilities. I did however think perhaps she had been married briefly but seemed to young, and then wondered if she was adopted... But once again, thanks

And Thanks Chris, I have a feeling this is the same Aaron who married Mary Ann Goodall...

1841 for John Smith
GOODALL, Mary F 40 1801 VIEW
GOODALL, Isaac M 14 1827 VIEW
GOODALL, Mary F 10 1831 Hampshire VIEW
GOODALL, George M 7 1834 Hampshire VIEW
SMITH, John M 45 1796 Hampshire VIEW

Piece: 413

Book/Folio: 4/13

Page: 21

Registration District: Portsea Island

Civil Parish: Portsea

Municipal Borough: Portsmouth

Address: North End, Portsea, Portsmouth

County: Hampshire

Has come to light that Egbert Thomas Sheaf wasn't Aaron Sheafs son.. Egbert Thomas was born in Jan 1869.. Aaron Sheaf has already remarried Amelia Sage in 1867... Have the birth for Egbert Thomas who says his father was Egbert Sheaf who is listed as a seaman in the merchant service??? I cannot find Egbert Thomas (or Thomas E Sheaf) as he was sometimes known by or his mother Mary Ann Sheaf formally Goodall born 1831 on the 1871 census. I see them on the 1881 census with his mother and siblings George, Charlotte etc. But where are they in 1871 where Egbert would have been about 3... :-(