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mandy

mandy Report 27 Nov 2013 14:50

thank you for your help guys xx

mgnv

mgnv Report 27 Nov 2013 03:30

As I posted:
Cumbria Marriage indexes for the years: 1896
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
OWENS William H COWAN Urenica Barrow-in-Furness Register Office or Registrar Attended Cumbria Certificate Services C1/12/129

The import of this is that it's unlikely there's any record in a parish register - there could be if it were a non-conformist marr in, say, some methodist chapel - the chapel might have kept unofficial records of its marrs - the official record would be in the registrar's register, mixed in with the rego office marrs - as non-conformists (excl jews & quakers) were not authorized to keep official regos pre 1898. However, it's probably a rego office marr, so the only places to get those are from the local office that now holds the regos (Cumbria Certificate Services here) or the more convenient GRO:
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
You can order online from the GRO, and they'll send you a paper cert - the cost is 9.25 GBP, world-wide postage included - this is usually the easiest, and usually marginally cheaper.

EDIT
A lookup at http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl gets the ordering details you need for the marr.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%)
Cowan Ureniea Barrow F. 8e 1088
Owens William Henry Barrow F. 8e 1088
PARK John Barrow F. 8e 1088
Rogers Elizabeth Barrow F. 8e 1088

I would just order in Wm's name - spell stuff as written - say you've got the reference when asked, as it's all given above.
Since you're spending money, you should definitely click on the spectacles on the FreeBMD hit to check they've transcribed stuff correctly.
When you've been at it a while, you'll learn you should always check against the image whenever you can - mistranscriptions are far from rare.

mandy

mandy Report 26 Nov 2013 23:09

can anyone tell me where i can obtain a copy of the marriage certificate and how much they are please? the one for william and urencia

mandy

mandy Report 26 Nov 2013 19:53

where can i get a copy of the marriage certificate for urenica cowan and william h owens and does anyone know how much tey are please? i can not find any references to urenica anywhere

mandy

mandy Report 26 Nov 2013 18:05

loads of info to digst here , think i am going to need help with this lot

mgnv

mgnv Report 26 Nov 2013 10:23

Using http://www.cumbriabmd.org.uk/
Cumbria Marriage indexes for the years: 1896
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
OWENS William H COWAN Urenica Barrow-in-Furness Register Office or Registrar Attended Cumbria Certificate Services C1/12/129

Cumbria Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1896 OWENS Florence Edith Barrow Cumbria Certificate Services COWAN B/71/213
1897 OWENS William Henry Dalton Cumbria Certificate Services COWIN D/77/42
1899 OWENS Walter James Dalton Cumbria Certificate Services COWIN D/78/213
1901 OWENS Thomas Henry Dalton Cumbria Certificate Services COWIN D/80/427
1903 OWENS Lily Evelyn Dalton Cumbria Certificate Services COWIN D/82/454



1911 England Census Transcription
Address:STAINTON IN FURNESS LANCASHIRE
Parish:URSWICK
County:Lancashire
Country:ENGLAND
Registration District:ULVERSTON
Registration District Number:481
Registration Sub-District: Dalton
SubDistrict Number:4
Enumeration District:2
Census Reference:RG14PN25627 RG78PN1470 RD481 SD4 ED2 SN30

W H OWENS 1868 43 DALTON IN FURNESS HEAD M Miner - out of work
MARY OWENS 1880 31 BARROW IN FURNESS WIFE
WILLIAM H OWENS 1898 13 DALTON IN FURNESS SON
THOMAS H OWENS 1903 8 ASHTON IN FURNESS SON
LILY OWENS 1904 7 DALTON IN FURNESS DAUGHTER
FLORENCE OWENS 1895 16 HAWCOAT BARROW DAUGHTER
JOHN W CASCOE 1910 1 ULVERSTON IN FURNESS STEPSON
[WH says widowed; 5 live births; 4 still living; Mary says widowed; 1 live births; 1 still living.
This was all x-ed out as not applying to current marr]


Deaths Jun 1908 (>99%)
OWENS Walter 10 Ulverston 8e 496
Cumbria Death indexes for the years: 1908
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
OWENS Walter Dalton Cumbria Certificate Services D/41/10

Births Mar 1910 (>99%)
PASCOE John Ulverston 8e 701

Marriages Sep 1910 (>99%)
Casson Margaret Ulverston 8e 1782
Owens William H Ulverston 8e 1782
Pascoe Mary Ulverston 8e 1782
Robertson William Ulverston 8e 1782



Cumbria Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1867 OWENS John Dalton Cumbria Certificate Services JONES D/20/421
1868 OWENS Joseph Dalton Cumbria Certificate Services JONES D/23/211
1869 OWENS Samuel Dalton Cumbria Certificate Services JONES D/26/185
1871 OWENS David Dalton Cumbria Certificate Services JONES D/30/224
1872 OWENS Edward Dalton Cumbria Certificate Services JONES D/33/477
1877 OWENS Margaret Ellen Bootle Cumbria Certificate Services JONES BOOT/12/405


1871 England Census Transcription
Street:DALTON
Parish:DALTON
Town:DALTON
County:Lancashire
Country:ENGLAND
Enumeration District:9
Registration District:ULVERSTON
Record set:1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Archive Reference:RG10 Piece Number:4243 Folio:40 Page:72

WILLIAM OWENS 1830 41 HEAD
CAROLINE OWENS 1836 35 WIFE
JOHN OWENS 1858 13 SON
ELIAS OWENS 1861 10 SON
WILLIAM H OWENS 1864 7 SON
JOSEPH OWENS 1868 3 SON

North Wales Marriage indexes for the years: 1856
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
JONES Caroline OWENS William Holywell, St James Flintshire (Mold) C12/2/E457

Flint Marriages Transcription
First Name:CAROLINE
Last Name:JONES
Country:Wales
Record set:Flint Marriages
Bride First:Caroline
County:Flintshire
Bride Last Name:Jones
Year:1856
Bride Father First Name:John
Bride Father Last Name:Jones
Groom Father First Name:Thomas
Groom Father Last Name:Owens
Groom First Name:William
Groom Last Name:Owens
Parish:Bagillt
Place:BAGILLT
Bride Age:Full
Day Of Marriage:21
Groom Age:Full
Month Of Marriage:Jun
Year Of Marriage:1856
Page:229

I don't know where Bagillt comes from - the m.cert image clearly says the parish church in the parish of Holywell.



Flint Banns Transcription
First Name:CAROLINE
Last Name:JONES
Country:Wales
Record set:Flint Banns
Bride First:Caroline
County:Flintshire
Bride Last Name:Jones
Year:1856
Groom First Name:William
Groom Last Name:Owens
Banns Day:25
Banns Month:May
Banns Year:1856
Place:BAGILLT
Bride Parish:Holywell
Groom Parish:Delton
Page:154

mandy

mandy Report 25 Nov 2013 20:13

will print this off and check it out ty guys for helping so much xxxx

Andrew

Andrew Report 25 Nov 2013 19:45

Elizabeth in 1891. Dalton Lancs

Elizabeth Sayle 47 Widow, Washerwoman
William Cowin 24
Lizzie Sayle 8
John James Sayle 3


Posible 1871 Isle of Man


William Cowin 27
>> Elizabeth Cowin 27
Ann Jane Cowin 6
William Cowin 4
Elizabeth Cowin 2
Jemima Cowin 11 Months








Andy

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Nov 2013 19:38

I think this may be William Henry in 1881, he seems to live in an iron ore mining community:

OWENS, Caroline Head Widow F 49 1832 Holywell, Flintshire, Wales
OWENS, Elles Son Single M 20 1861 Engine Driver (Mining) Dalton, Lancashire
OWENS, William H Son Single M 17 1864 Engine Driver (Mining) Dalton, Lancashire
OWENS, Joseph Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar Dalton, Lancashire
OWENS, David Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar Dalton, Lancashire
OWENS, Edward Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar Dalton, Lancashire

Piece: 4281 Folio: 109 Page: 78
Registration District: Ulverston
Civil Parish: Dalton in Furness

Address: 37, Skelgate, Dalton In Furness County: Lancashire

Not very reliable with birth years, is he?

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 25 Nov 2013 19:36

The first wife has died if the second marriage in 1910 is correct to Mary Pascoe


1911
Class: RG14; Piece: 25627

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 25 Nov 2013 19:34

What research have you done to arrive at birth year of 1859 for William

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Nov 2013 19:32

Mandy, it looks like 1869 on the 1901 census, do you know where 1859 came from?

Andrew

Andrew Report 25 Nov 2013 19:31

Possible 1881?

Isle of Man

James Sayle 33
Elizabeth Sayle 36
William Cawe 13
Robert H. Cawe 9
Emily Cawe 8
Urenia Cawe 5

Andy

patchem

patchem Report 25 Nov 2013 19:26

Marriages Mar 1896
Cowan Ureniea Barrow F. 8e 1088
Owens William Henry Barrow F. 8e 1088

mandy

mandy Report 25 Nov 2013 19:26

william henry owens dob is 1859 if that helps

Andrew

Andrew Report 25 Nov 2013 19:24

The marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Cowan Ureniea Barrow F. 8e 1088 Scan available - click to view
Owens William Henry Barrow F. 8e 1088


Andy

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Nov 2013 19:24

Full details of 1901:

OWEN, William H Head Married M 32 1869 Iron Ore Miner Dalton in F, Lancashire
OWEN, Urenica Wife Married F 23 1878 Isle of Man
OWEN, Florence E Daughter F 5 1896 Barrow in F, Lancashire
OWEN, William H Son M 3 1898 Dalton in F, Lancashire
OWEN, Walter J Son M 2 1899 Dalton in F, Lancashire

Piece: 5338 Folio: 30 Page: 52
Registration District: Ulverston
Civil Parish: Dalton in Furness

Address: 41, King Street, Dalton In Furness County: Lancashire

patchem

patchem Report 25 Nov 2013 19:21

Florence?
Births Mar 1896
Owens Florence Edith Barrow F. 8e 803

Andrew

Andrew Report 25 Nov 2013 19:20

1901

William H Owen 32
Urenica Owen 23 Born Isle of Man
Florence E Owen 5
William H Owen 3
Wlater J Owen 2


Andy

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Nov 2013 19:17

There was obviously problems with the mother's name on the baptism transcription ......

Florence Edith Owens, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"

Name: Florence Edith Owens
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 16 Nov 1897
Christening Place: Dalton-in-Furness, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: William Henry Owens

Mother's Name: ...renisa ????

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03459-8
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1657404
Reference ID: item 7


"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NN6M-452 : accessed 25 Nov 2013), Florence Edith Owens, 16 Nov 1897.