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mandy

mandy Report 25 Nov 2013 18:47

hi all i can find my grandmothers fathers name but i cannot find his wife any clues please? :-(

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 25 Nov 2013 18:48

Can you post some info please

mandy

mandy Report 25 Nov 2013 19:12

the lady i am looking for is married to william henry owensthier daughter florence edith owens married nicholas keast 1913 in dalton in furness i believe , no idea of any details other than fathers name for florence , am trying to find any of her siblings if there are any and her ancestors , florence was christened in dalton on 16th november 1897

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 25 Nov 2013 19:13

Occupation of father from the marriage cert ?

Witnesses ?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Nov 2013 19:17

There was obviously problems with the mother's name on the baptism transcription ......

Florence Edith Owens, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"

Name: Florence Edith Owens
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 16 Nov 1897
Christening Place: Dalton-in-Furness, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: William Henry Owens

Mother's Name: ...renisa ????

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03459-8
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1657404
Reference ID: item 7


"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NN6M-452 : accessed 25 Nov 2013), Florence Edith Owens, 16 Nov 1897.

Andrew

Andrew Report 25 Nov 2013 19:20

1901

William H Owen 32
Urenica Owen 23 Born Isle of Man
Florence E Owen 5
William H Owen 3
Wlater J Owen 2


Andy

patchem

patchem Report 25 Nov 2013 19:21

Florence?
Births Mar 1896
Owens Florence Edith Barrow F. 8e 803

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Nov 2013 19:24

Full details of 1901:

OWEN, William H Head Married M 32 1869 Iron Ore Miner Dalton in F, Lancashire
OWEN, Urenica Wife Married F 23 1878 Isle of Man
OWEN, Florence E Daughter F 5 1896 Barrow in F, Lancashire
OWEN, William H Son M 3 1898 Dalton in F, Lancashire
OWEN, Walter J Son M 2 1899 Dalton in F, Lancashire

Piece: 5338 Folio: 30 Page: 52
Registration District: Ulverston
Civil Parish: Dalton in Furness

Address: 41, King Street, Dalton In Furness County: Lancashire

Andrew

Andrew Report 25 Nov 2013 19:24

The marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%)
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Cowan Ureniea Barrow F. 8e 1088 Scan available - click to view
Owens William Henry Barrow F. 8e 1088


Andy

mandy

mandy Report 25 Nov 2013 19:26

william henry owens dob is 1859 if that helps

patchem

patchem Report 25 Nov 2013 19:26

Marriages Mar 1896
Cowan Ureniea Barrow F. 8e 1088
Owens William Henry Barrow F. 8e 1088

Andrew

Andrew Report 25 Nov 2013 19:31

Possible 1881?

Isle of Man

James Sayle 33
Elizabeth Sayle 36
William Cawe 13
Robert H. Cawe 9
Emily Cawe 8
Urenia Cawe 5

Andy

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Nov 2013 19:32

Mandy, it looks like 1869 on the 1901 census, do you know where 1859 came from?

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 25 Nov 2013 19:34

What research have you done to arrive at birth year of 1859 for William

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 25 Nov 2013 19:36

The first wife has died if the second marriage in 1910 is correct to Mary Pascoe


1911
Class: RG14; Piece: 25627

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Nov 2013 19:38

I think this may be William Henry in 1881, he seems to live in an iron ore mining community:

OWENS, Caroline Head Widow F 49 1832 Holywell, Flintshire, Wales
OWENS, Elles Son Single M 20 1861 Engine Driver (Mining) Dalton, Lancashire
OWENS, William H Son Single M 17 1864 Engine Driver (Mining) Dalton, Lancashire
OWENS, Joseph Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar Dalton, Lancashire
OWENS, David Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar Dalton, Lancashire
OWENS, Edward Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar Dalton, Lancashire

Piece: 4281 Folio: 109 Page: 78
Registration District: Ulverston
Civil Parish: Dalton in Furness

Address: 37, Skelgate, Dalton In Furness County: Lancashire

Not very reliable with birth years, is he?

Andrew

Andrew Report 25 Nov 2013 19:45

Elizabeth in 1891. Dalton Lancs

Elizabeth Sayle 47 Widow, Washerwoman
William Cowin 24
Lizzie Sayle 8
John James Sayle 3


Posible 1871 Isle of Man


William Cowin 27
>> Elizabeth Cowin 27
Ann Jane Cowin 6
William Cowin 4
Elizabeth Cowin 2
Jemima Cowin 11 Months








Andy

mandy

mandy Report 25 Nov 2013 20:13

will print this off and check it out ty guys for helping so much xxxx

mgnv

mgnv Report 26 Nov 2013 10:23

Using http://www.cumbriabmd.org.uk/
Cumbria Marriage indexes for the years: 1896
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
OWENS William H COWAN Urenica Barrow-in-Furness Register Office or Registrar Attended Cumbria Certificate Services C1/12/129

Cumbria Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1896 OWENS Florence Edith Barrow Cumbria Certificate Services COWAN B/71/213
1897 OWENS William Henry Dalton Cumbria Certificate Services COWIN D/77/42
1899 OWENS Walter James Dalton Cumbria Certificate Services COWIN D/78/213
1901 OWENS Thomas Henry Dalton Cumbria Certificate Services COWIN D/80/427
1903 OWENS Lily Evelyn Dalton Cumbria Certificate Services COWIN D/82/454



1911 England Census Transcription
Address:STAINTON IN FURNESS LANCASHIRE
Parish:URSWICK
County:Lancashire
Country:ENGLAND
Registration District:ULVERSTON
Registration District Number:481
Registration Sub-District: Dalton
SubDistrict Number:4
Enumeration District:2
Census Reference:RG14PN25627 RG78PN1470 RD481 SD4 ED2 SN30

W H OWENS 1868 43 DALTON IN FURNESS HEAD M Miner - out of work
MARY OWENS 1880 31 BARROW IN FURNESS WIFE
WILLIAM H OWENS 1898 13 DALTON IN FURNESS SON
THOMAS H OWENS 1903 8 ASHTON IN FURNESS SON
LILY OWENS 1904 7 DALTON IN FURNESS DAUGHTER
FLORENCE OWENS 1895 16 HAWCOAT BARROW DAUGHTER
JOHN W CASCOE 1910 1 ULVERSTON IN FURNESS STEPSON
[WH says widowed; 5 live births; 4 still living; Mary says widowed; 1 live births; 1 still living.
This was all x-ed out as not applying to current marr]


Deaths Jun 1908 (>99%)
OWENS Walter 10 Ulverston 8e 496
Cumbria Death indexes for the years: 1908
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
OWENS Walter Dalton Cumbria Certificate Services D/41/10

Births Mar 1910 (>99%)
PASCOE John Ulverston 8e 701

Marriages Sep 1910 (>99%)
Casson Margaret Ulverston 8e 1782
Owens William H Ulverston 8e 1782
Pascoe Mary Ulverston 8e 1782
Robertson William Ulverston 8e 1782



Cumbria Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1867 OWENS John Dalton Cumbria Certificate Services JONES D/20/421
1868 OWENS Joseph Dalton Cumbria Certificate Services JONES D/23/211
1869 OWENS Samuel Dalton Cumbria Certificate Services JONES D/26/185
1871 OWENS David Dalton Cumbria Certificate Services JONES D/30/224
1872 OWENS Edward Dalton Cumbria Certificate Services JONES D/33/477
1877 OWENS Margaret Ellen Bootle Cumbria Certificate Services JONES BOOT/12/405


1871 England Census Transcription
Street:DALTON
Parish:DALTON
Town:DALTON
County:Lancashire
Country:ENGLAND
Enumeration District:9
Registration District:ULVERSTON
Record set:1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Archive Reference:RG10 Piece Number:4243 Folio:40 Page:72

WILLIAM OWENS 1830 41 HEAD
CAROLINE OWENS 1836 35 WIFE
JOHN OWENS 1858 13 SON
ELIAS OWENS 1861 10 SON
WILLIAM H OWENS 1864 7 SON
JOSEPH OWENS 1868 3 SON

North Wales Marriage indexes for the years: 1856
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
JONES Caroline OWENS William Holywell, St James Flintshire (Mold) C12/2/E457

Flint Marriages Transcription
First Name:CAROLINE
Last Name:JONES
Country:Wales
Record set:Flint Marriages
Bride First:Caroline
County:Flintshire
Bride Last Name:Jones
Year:1856
Bride Father First Name:John
Bride Father Last Name:Jones
Groom Father First Name:Thomas
Groom Father Last Name:Owens
Groom First Name:William
Groom Last Name:Owens
Parish:Bagillt
Place:BAGILLT
Bride Age:Full
Day Of Marriage:21
Groom Age:Full
Month Of Marriage:Jun
Year Of Marriage:1856
Page:229

I don't know where Bagillt comes from - the m.cert image clearly says the parish church in the parish of Holywell.



Flint Banns Transcription
First Name:CAROLINE
Last Name:JONES
Country:Wales
Record set:Flint Banns
Bride First:Caroline
County:Flintshire
Bride Last Name:Jones
Year:1856
Groom First Name:William
Groom Last Name:Owens
Banns Day:25
Banns Month:May
Banns Year:1856
Place:BAGILLT
Bride Parish:Holywell
Groom Parish:Delton
Page:154

mandy

mandy Report 26 Nov 2013 18:05

loads of info to digst here , think i am going to need help with this lot