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In the 1941 census my gt gt grandfather Peter Rice B1836, was in the Medway union Workshop, Rochester ( St Nicholas ) at the age of 4. Would the workshop records have the names of his mother & father and how can I find those records. Thanks Warren Rice

When and where did he marry and have you got the cert?

1841?

Think you mean the 1841 census and it's the workhouse not workshop

If his parents were with him them they should show too.

Other than that have you found him on later census or dies he name a father on his marriage cert

The records office at Rochester do hold workhouse records .

Was he Peter James Rice ?

Name:Peter James Rice



Gender:Male



Christening Date:9 Oct 1836



Christening Place:Chatham, Kent, England



Father's Name:Francis Rice



Mother's Name:Mary Ann

For accuracy.............

1841 census

Person: RICE, Peter Institution: Medway Union Workhouse, Street Nicholas,

RICE, Peter M 4 1837 Kent VIEW Piece: 491 Book/Folio: 8/37 Page: 3

He is not alone.........there are 3 (probable) siblings with him.

have you tried using the familysearch site to look for his baptism? It's FREE

Workhouse records aren't my area (someone will be along who knows more) but thought I'd post this in case it turns out to be useful:

Parish Record Collection - Baptism Record

Surname: Rice
Forenames: Peter James
Baptism Year: 1836
Baptism Month: OCT
Baptism Day: 9
Mother: Mary Ann
Father: Francis
Place: Chatham
County: Kent
Source: St.Marys Chatham 1813-1837 baptisms

Notes:
Record source: Thames & Medway Baptisms
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Douglas, what can you tell us about Peter Rice's later years that might help us find info on him?

Seems to have siblings with him
Name: Peter Rise
[Peter Rice]
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Male
Where born: Kent, England
Civil Parish: St Nicholas
Hundred: Rochester City
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration District: Medway
Sub-registration District: Rochester
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 491
Book: 8
Folio: 37

Emma Rise 10
Sarah Rise 8
Amelia Rise 6
Peter Rise


Extracted from the list of inmates

Looks like his dad had died

Name: Francis Rice
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1840
Registration District: Medway
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 5
Page: 261

May explain why mum may have had to put them in the workhouse

No way of knowing without getting the cert


Deaths Jun 1840 (>99%)
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RICE Francis

Medway 5 261

Mum was in the workhouse too in the women's section

1841 England Census about Mary Ann Rice
Name: Mary Ann Rice
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Female
Civil Parish: Chatham
Hundred: Chatham and Gillingham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address:Medway Union ,Rochester

Occupation:pauper

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Registration District: Medway
Sub-registration District: Rochester
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 487
Book: 11
Folio: 13
Page Number: 13

Possibly remarried

You searched for Mary Rice in Kent
All England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Results
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Mary Ann Rice
Name: Mary Ann Rice
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1851
Registration District: Medway
Inferred County: Kent
Volume Number: 5
Page Number: 422
Records on Page:
Name
Sarah Barton
Robert Burr
Frances Hopper
Edward Howland
Mary Ann Rice
John Stroud
Thomas Taylor
Susannah Wright

Hi : Thank you for all your help. Peter James Rice was married twice. in 1862 and again in 1891. Both off his marrage cert has James has his father but can not find James on any other records. Warren

Peter Married a Matilda Alice Watt in Sep 1862 in rochester, and a Selina Wood in Jun 1891 in Northfleet, The marrage to Matilda he had his fathers name down as James Rice Occupation : Waterman. The marrage to Selina, Fathers name James Rice Occupation : Caplain ?

As his dad died when he was young he may guessed at a name for his marriage so as not to appear illegitimate ,

His baptism shows his parents names

Yes Shirley you may be right. It is a bit puzzling that Peter put his fathers name down as James Rice on both marrage cert with different Occupations. Its as if his father was still alive at that time. One off his fathers Occupation was a Caplain what is that ? Mary Ann Rice ( Peter James Rice,s mother? ) did have a illegitimate son which she called John Alfred Rice that was about 18 months after her husband Francis died in 1840.

Name: Emma Maria Rice
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 Apr 1829, dob 7 April 1829
Father's Name: Francis Rice, Occ. Lighterman
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Rice
Parish or Poor Law Union: Wapping
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers
Abode: St. John, Wapping


Name: Sarah Vermilly Rice
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 22 Jul 1831, dob 8 July 1831
Father's Name: Francis Rice, occ. Lighterman
Mother's Name: Mary-ann Rice
Parish or Poor Law Union: Wapping
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers
Abode: St. Johns Wapping


Name: Francis William Rice
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 Sep 1826, dob 28 August 1826
Father's Name: Francis Rice, occ. Lighterman
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Rice
Parish or Poor Law Union: Wapping
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers
Abode: St. George East

1851

Name: Francis Rice
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Visitor
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: St Georges East, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Costermonger and Lighterman

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration District: Newington
Sub-registration District: Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 204
Piece: 1566
Folio: 351
Page Number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Norris 36
Elizabeth Norris 36
Thomas Norris 14
Elizabeth Norris 8
Robert Norris 6
Sarah Deighton 39
Francis Rice 25

Douglas, might James' occupation on the marriage certificate be "captain" - that would fit in with being a waterman?

Quite possible he assumed his middle name was that of his father.

As regards giving occupations for his father - it all depends how the registrar asked the question and whether there was scope to mention if the parent was living or deceased. If Peter was just asked "Father's name and occupation" then he merely stated the facts as he knew them.