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On the 1911 census it shows my great grandmother having given birth 4 times but only three living I know a son died in 1904 aged one year and another son who is not down on the census but I know he was in Leavesden Mental Asylum after trying to hurt another brother in 1916/17.
Walter Stanley who is on the 1911 census was my grandfather and Grace Florence my great aunt.
We believe he died at the asylum as a young man.
Can anybody help me find his name and what may of happened to him and what census he was on .

Welcome to the boards Frances.

For reference.......

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: BRUNDLE, Grace Susan
Address: 266 Chapter Road Cricklewood NW

BRUNDLE, Herbert George Head Married M 27 1884 Market Porter Herts Abbots Langley VIEW
BRUNDLE, Grace Susan Wife Married9 years F 28 1883 London Clerkenwell VIEW
BRUNDLE, Walter Stanley Son M 4 1907 Essex Walthamstow VIEW
BRUNDLE, Grace Florence Daughter F 2 1909 London Hoxton VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 7059
Reference: RG14PN7059 RG78PN346B RD129 SD1 ED79 SN97
Registration District: Willesden
Sub District: Willesden
Enumeration District: 79
Parish: Willesden
Address: 266 Chapter Road Cricklewood NW
County: Middlesex

Marriages Dec 1902 (>99%)
Brundle Herbert George Islington 1b 377
Page Grace Susan Islington 1b 377

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Grace Susan Page
Name: Grace Susan Page
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Age: 19
Spouse Name: Herbert George Brundle MARKET PORTER*******
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Nov 1902
Parish: Battle Bridge All Saints
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Alfred William Page PAINTER (deceased)**************

Spouse Father Name: Herbert James Brundle MARKET PORTER***********
Register Type: Parish Register

Both gave the same address 55 Cumming Street.

Witnesses Robert Green and Annie Sumerfield.

Name: Herbert Alfred Brundle
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 12 Jul 1903
Father's Name: Herbert George Brundle
Mother's Name: Grace Susan Brundle
Parish or Poor Law Union: Tottenham
Borough: Haringey
Register Type: Parish Registers

Name: Herbert Alfred Brundle
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1904
Age at Death: 1
Registration District: Holborn
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 432

so this is the one that died


no other baptisms showing

at a guess would say the other child was between 1904 and 1907

there are several possibilities


Frederick James Brundle 1903 Oct-Nov-Dec Holborn London
George Samuel Brundle 1903 Jan-Feb-Mar Lambeth London
Arthur Charles Brundle 1904 Oct-Nov-Dec St Pancras London
Charles Henry Brundle 1904 Apr-May-Jun Lambeth
Ernest William Brundle 1905 Oct-Nov-Dec Chelsea London
Robert Edward Brundle 1905 Jan-Feb-Mar Wandsworth London
Henry Oliver F Brundle 1906 Oct-Nov-Dec Wandsworth London

Maybe this one??
Leavesden Mental asylum was in Abbots Langley which is in the Watford reg district.

Deaths Mar 1923 (>99%)
BRUNDLE Arthur C 13 Watford 3a 902

Births Dec 1904 (>99%)
BRUNDLE Arthur Charles Pancras 1b 52

ADDED:
I can't see him anywhere on the 1911 census

1891

Name: Grace Page
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Annie Page
Gender: Female
Where born: Clerkenwell, London, England

Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: London City
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Islington
Sub-registration District: Islington South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 154
Folio: 118
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Annie Page 35 Widow
Henry Page 20
Ada Page 11
Florence Page 3
Grace Page 7
Lillie Page 3
Rose Page 1
Frederich Page 3/12
Frederich Lauard 27
Alfred Holman 26


Deaths Dec 1888 Page Alfred William 37 Islington 1b 267


1901

Name: Annie Sumfield
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Midsomer Norton, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Islington
Sub-registration District: Barnsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 258
Piece: 177
Folio: 21
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Annie Sumfield 50 Widow
Florence Page 19
Rose Page 11

The child that died aged 13 in 1923 would have been born in 1910 so can't be the 1904 one

Frederick James and Ernest William are with their family on the 1911


1911 census transcription details for: Flat 31 Onslow Dwellings Pond Place Chelsea

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN380 RG78PN12 RD4 SD1 ED6 SN922
Reg. District: Chelsea
Sub District: Chelsea North
Parish: Chelsea
Enum. District: 6
Address: Flat 31 Onslow Dwellings Pond Place Chelsea
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BRUNDLE, Frederick William Head Married
8 years M 32 1879 Motor Cleaner/ Washerat Garage/ Norfolk Roudham
BRUNDLE, Florence Kate Wife Married F 33 1878 Cambridgeshire Ashley
BRUNDLE, Frederick James Son M 7 1904 School London Clerkenwell
BRUNDLE, Ernest William Son M 5 1906 School London Chelsea
BRUNDLE, Edward John Son M 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 London Chelsea

Per FreeBMD, the only Arthur Brundle born in 1910 was this one:

Births Jun 1910 (>99%)
BRUNDLE Arthur Middlesbro 9d 596

Doesn't seem likely, if Grace was born 1909 in London, and the family were in Cricklewood in 1911.

Perhaps the age at death in 1923 was transcribed wrongly onto the GRO index.
OP suggests he died as a young man. If born in 1904, he'd have been 19.

Robert Edward &Henry Oliver


1911 census transcription details for: 37 Chiddingstone Street New Kings Road Fulham SW

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN354 RG78PN11 RD3 SD5 ED17 SN200
Reg. District: Fulham
Sub District: South Fulham
Parish: Fulham
Enum. District: 17
Address: 37 Chiddingstone Street New Kings Road Fulham SW
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BRUNDLE, Robert Head Married M 35 1876 Insurance Agent Chelsea London
BRUNDLE, Elizabeth Frances Wife Married
8 years F 33 1878 Pimlico London
BRUNDLE, Robert Edward Son M 6 1905 Battersea London
BRUNDLE, Henry Oliver Son M 4 1907 Wandsworth London
BRUNDLE, William Son M 1 1910 Fulham London

Arthur Brundle born 1910 Middlesborough - he's with his family in 1911 in Middlesborough:


1911 England Census about Arthur Brundle
Name: Arthur Brundle
Age in 1911: 11/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Middlesbrough
Civil Parish: Middlesbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire-North Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Boltons Yard Middlesbro
Marital Status: Single
Registration District: Middlesbrough
Registration District Number: 535
Sub-registration District: Middlesbrough West
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 29271
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Brundle 34
S Brundle 38
Arthur Brundle 11/12
Florrie Eva Cowie 12
Margaret Ann Cowie 15

George and Charles


1911 census transcription details for: 23 St Faiths Road S E

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN2118 RG78PN73 RD25 SD5 ED19 SN2
Reg. District: Lambeth
Sub District: Norwood
Parish: Lambeth
Enum. District: 19
Address: 23 St Faiths Road S E
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BRUNDLE, Frederick Head Married M 52 1859 Nail And Iron Merchant Wingham Kent
BRUNDLE, Emily Wife Married
22 years F 50 1861 Dover Kent
BRUNDLE, Frank Son Single M 20 1891 Nail And Iron Merchant Assistant Streatham Surrey
BRUNDLE, Lucy Daughter Single F 18 1893 Streatham Surrey
BRUNDLE, Frederick Son Single M 15 1896 School Norwood Surrey
BRUNDLE, Herbert Son M 13 1898 School Norwood Surrey
BRUNDLE, John Son M 11 1900 School Norwood Surrey
BRUNDLE, Doris Daughter F 10 1901 School Norwood Surrey
BRUNDLE, George Son M 8 1903 Norwood Surrey
BRUNDLE, Charles Son M 7 1904 Norwood Surrey
CLEAVER, Louisa Servant Single F 25 1886 Cook Domestic Sturry Kent
CLEAVER, Annie Servant Single F 19 1892 Housemaid Domestic Sturry Kent
CLEAVER, Lucy Servant Single F 17 1894 Nurse Domestic Sturry Kent

So just leaves Arthur Charles 1904 and he isn't showing on the 1911 census

If I were Frances, I would buy the 1923 death cert.

I am overwhelmed with everyones input thank you all so much.I have found it quite difficult to trace as I cant understand why he doesn't show on the 1911 census although we believe him to be in the Leavesden asylum Abbots Langley Watford due to him trying to put his youngest brother George born 1916 through a mangle!!! I have been to the site of the hospital which is now apartments and attended a talk and walk through the grounds but unfortunately most of the records are no longer available.
Again thank you all and I will purchase the death cert as suggested

There is the possibility that he is an inmate in 1911 and is showing under his initials, or partial initials if badly transcribed.
Comes out of hospital but then re-admitted in 1917

Well, he wasn't in Leavesden in 1911 - I've scrolled through the many pages of the image on Ancestry, and he's not there.



Here's a random patient whose details will let you find the record on Ancestry (include X as birthplace) in case you want to check the image yourself:


1911 England Census about Thomas Adams
Name: Thomas Adams
Age in 1911: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation to Head: Patient
Gender: Male
Birth Place: X
Civil Parish: Watford
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Street Address: District Imbeale Asylnn Leanesden, Kings Langley, Herts
Registration District: Watford
Registration District Number: 140
Sub-registration District: Abbots Langley
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Piece: 7739

PM received from Frances, copied here with her permission:

Just to let you know that with your help I sent away for the birth cert and confirmed the parents were correct then only this week end I received the death cert also confirming that I had found my grandfathers older brother who did die in Leavesden mental asylum aged18 years.I am still going up to the London Metropolitan Archives in London to confirm when he entered the asylum and hopefully see why he wasn't on the 1911 census.Prior to him being admitted to the hospital he was a resident at Woburn Lodge Upper Woburn Place in London which it seems was also some type of home. Again many thanks for your help Frances