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Grace Susan Brundle nee Page

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Feb 2015 15:19

Sorry, I don't have credits for 192.com either!

Unknown

Unknown Report 4 Feb 2015 10:55

I think I have found it thank you its in Wallsend.I will write a letter today.

Unknown

Unknown Report 4 Feb 2015 10:35

Thank you so much it would take me ages to find out what you have in such a short space of time.I did go onto 192.com but you have to pay to look up the address.I will if I have to but could I be really cheeky and ask if you would kindly forward that address to me .If not I totally understand and I will do it.
Again thanks for your help.Its my friends birthday today and I am wondering if this is his mother is she remembering back to his birth in 1957.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Feb 2015 10:12

Further per 192.com -
Julie Robinson was at the same address as Sheila Lee only on 2002 ER.
Nichola Lee was at the same address as Sheila Lee only on 2004 ER.
Sheila Lee is listed at that address in 2002-4, 2011, and 2014-15

Ancestry has the birth of a Nichola Lee, mms Power, born 1980 in the right area.

Good luck!

Unknown

Unknown Report 4 Feb 2015 09:19

Hi there.Thanks for your reply Sheila Josephine Tweddle is her full name . The reason I left it on this thread was we had been told that his mother died in 2006.His adoption was organised through the catholic nuns who ran a home in the area and it was their reply stating she had died in 2006. I am really beginning to believe she is still alive as both deaths in 2006 do not tally up do they?
I think you are right and I will tactfully right a letter.I did send one to her address on her marriage cert to John Tweddle as the ER shows Powers still living at that address.I only sent it yesterday so I may get a lead from there.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 1 Feb 2015 22:02

Frances, you'd really be better starting a new thread for this family on the "Find Living Relatives" board.

However -

Per Sheila's marriage to John Tweddle, her middle initial was J.
Do you know what that stood for?

If she did leave John, as you suspect, there is a marriage between a Sheila J Tweddle and a Mr Lee in 1979 in North Tyneside West district. (I won't post it here in case she's still alive.)

So the Sheila Lee you found living with Julie Robinson could perhaps be the correct one.
BUT the Sheila Lee with Julie Robinson appears to be on the 2014-15 ER, per 192.com, along with a Nichola Lee, aged 31-33.
Have you tried contacting them - tactfully?

Is this the death you investigated?
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries Name: Sheila Lee
Birth: 2 Nov 1941
Death: Nov 2006 - Newcastle/T, Tyne and Wear, England

or was it this one?

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries Name: Sheila Tweddle
Birth: 27 May 1936
Death: Jan 2006 - S Tyneside, Tyne and Wear, England

Unknown

Unknown Report 1 Feb 2015 19:11

Thank you very much for helping me with my family and I have been able to delve deeper thanks to your help.
I now have another request please.
I am trying to help a dear friend who has MS was adopted and only found out recently when he emigrated to America that he was adopted .He is desperate to found out if anyone else in his family has a medical condition.
He was born 4th Feb 1957 Robert Power mother Sheila Power .She married a
John Joseph Tweddell/Tweddle 22/3/1958 gave birth to Micheal Tweddle 1958 and
Julie M Tweddle in 1964. John died 7th sept 1997 his daughter Julie Margaret Robinson was the informant .We believe his mother has died in 2006 but the death cert I received doesnt tally up . I checked the electoral rolls and believe Sheila left her husband as it was their daughter who was the informant.I found a Sheila Lee living with a Julie Robinson at an Address in Wallsend Tyne and Wear. Her marriage cert also states she was 18yrs but we believe she was only 16 when she had Robert and Married and had Micheal the same year. What a mess!!!!Can anyone help as we are really desperate to find a relative?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Nov 2013 17:27

PM received from Frances, copied here with her permission:

Just to let you know that with your help I sent away for the birth cert and confirmed the parents were correct then only this week end I received the death cert also confirming that I had found my grandfathers older brother who did die in Leavesden mental asylum aged18 years.I am still going up to the London Metropolitan Archives in London to confirm when he entered the asylum and hopefully see why he wasn't on the 1911 census.Prior to him being admitted to the hospital he was a resident at Woburn Lodge Upper Woburn Place in London which it seems was also some type of home. Again many thanks for your help Frances

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Sep 2013 12:07

Well, he wasn't in Leavesden in 1911 - I've scrolled through the many pages of the image on Ancestry, and he's not there.



Here's a random patient whose details will let you find the record on Ancestry (include X as birthplace) in case you want to check the image yourself:


1911 England Census about Thomas Adams
Name: Thomas Adams
Age in 1911: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation to Head: Patient
Gender: Male
Birth Place: X
Civil Parish: Watford
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Street Address: District Imbeale Asylnn Leanesden, Kings Langley, Herts
Registration District: Watford
Registration District Number: 140
Sub-registration District: Abbots Langley
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Piece: 7739

patchem

patchem Report 22 Sep 2013 10:29

There is the possibility that he is an inmate in 1911 and is showing under his initials, or partial initials if badly transcribed.
Comes out of hospital but then re-admitted in 1917

Unknown

Unknown Report 22 Sep 2013 09:09

I am overwhelmed with everyones input thank you all so much.I have found it quite difficult to trace as I cant understand why he doesn't show on the 1911 census although we believe him to be in the Leavesden asylum Abbots Langley Watford due to him trying to put his youngest brother George born 1916 through a mangle!!! I have been to the site of the hospital which is now apartments and attended a talk and walk through the grounds but unfortunately most of the records are no longer available.
Again thank you all and I will purchase the death cert as suggested

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Sep 2013 19:23

If I were Frances, I would buy the 1923 death cert.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 21 Sep 2013 19:22

So just leaves Arthur Charles 1904 and he isn't showing on the 1911 census

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 21 Sep 2013 19:20

George and Charles


1911 census transcription details for: 23 St Faiths Road S E

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN2118 RG78PN73 RD25 SD5 ED19 SN2
Reg. District: Lambeth
Sub District: Norwood
Parish: Lambeth
Enum. District: 19
Address: 23 St Faiths Road S E
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BRUNDLE, Frederick Head Married M 52 1859 Nail And Iron Merchant Wingham Kent
BRUNDLE, Emily Wife Married
22 years F 50 1861 Dover Kent
BRUNDLE, Frank Son Single M 20 1891 Nail And Iron Merchant Assistant Streatham Surrey
BRUNDLE, Lucy Daughter Single F 18 1893 Streatham Surrey
BRUNDLE, Frederick Son Single M 15 1896 School Norwood Surrey
BRUNDLE, Herbert Son M 13 1898 School Norwood Surrey
BRUNDLE, John Son M 11 1900 School Norwood Surrey
BRUNDLE, Doris Daughter F 10 1901 School Norwood Surrey
BRUNDLE, George Son M 8 1903 Norwood Surrey
BRUNDLE, Charles Son M 7 1904 Norwood Surrey
CLEAVER, Louisa Servant Single F 25 1886 Cook Domestic Sturry Kent
CLEAVER, Annie Servant Single F 19 1892 Housemaid Domestic Sturry Kent
CLEAVER, Lucy Servant Single F 17 1894 Nurse Domestic Sturry Kent

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Sep 2013 19:20

Arthur Brundle born 1910 Middlesborough - he's with his family in 1911 in Middlesborough:


1911 England Census about Arthur Brundle
Name: Arthur Brundle
Age in 1911: 11/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Middlesbrough
Civil Parish: Middlesbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire-North Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Boltons Yard Middlesbro
Marital Status: Single
Registration District: Middlesbrough
Registration District Number: 535
Sub-registration District: Middlesbrough West
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 29271
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Brundle 34
S Brundle 38
Arthur Brundle 11/12
Florrie Eva Cowie 12
Margaret Ann Cowie 15

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 21 Sep 2013 19:12

Robert Edward &Henry Oliver


1911 census transcription details for: 37 Chiddingstone Street New Kings Road Fulham SW

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN354 RG78PN11 RD3 SD5 ED17 SN200
Reg. District: Fulham
Sub District: South Fulham
Parish: Fulham
Enum. District: 17
Address: 37 Chiddingstone Street New Kings Road Fulham SW
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BRUNDLE, Robert Head Married M 35 1876 Insurance Agent Chelsea London
BRUNDLE, Elizabeth Frances Wife Married
8 years F 33 1878 Pimlico London
BRUNDLE, Robert Edward Son M 6 1905 Battersea London
BRUNDLE, Henry Oliver Son M 4 1907 Wandsworth London
BRUNDLE, William Son M 1 1910 Fulham London

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Sep 2013 19:10

Per FreeBMD, the only Arthur Brundle born in 1910 was this one:

Births Jun 1910 (>99%)
BRUNDLE Arthur Middlesbro 9d 596

Doesn't seem likely, if Grace was born 1909 in London, and the family were in Cricklewood in 1911.

Perhaps the age at death in 1923 was transcribed wrongly onto the GRO index.
OP suggests he died as a young man. If born in 1904, he'd have been 19.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 21 Sep 2013 19:06

Frederick James and Ernest William are with their family on the 1911


1911 census transcription details for: Flat 31 Onslow Dwellings Pond Place Chelsea

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN380 RG78PN12 RD4 SD1 ED6 SN922
Reg. District: Chelsea
Sub District: Chelsea North
Parish: Chelsea
Enum. District: 6
Address: Flat 31 Onslow Dwellings Pond Place Chelsea
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BRUNDLE, Frederick William Head Married
8 years M 32 1879 Motor Cleaner/ Washerat Garage/ Norfolk Roudham
BRUNDLE, Florence Kate Wife Married F 33 1878 Cambridgeshire Ashley
BRUNDLE, Frederick James Son M 7 1904 School London Clerkenwell
BRUNDLE, Ernest William Son M 5 1906 School London Chelsea
BRUNDLE, Edward John Son M 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 London Chelsea


Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 21 Sep 2013 19:03

The child that died aged 13 in 1923 would have been born in 1910 so can't be the 1904 one

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 21 Sep 2013 18:55

1891

Name: Grace Page
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Annie Page
Gender: Female
Where born: Clerkenwell, London, England

Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: London City
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Islington
Sub-registration District: Islington South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 154
Folio: 118
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Annie Page 35 Widow
Henry Page 20
Ada Page 11
Florence Page 3
Grace Page 7
Lillie Page 3
Rose Page 1
Frederich Page 3/12
Frederich Lauard 27
Alfred Holman 26


Deaths Dec 1888 Page Alfred William 37 Islington 1b 267


1901

Name: Annie Sumfield
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Midsomer Norton, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Islington
Sub-registration District: Barnsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 258
Piece: 177
Folio: 21
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Annie Sumfield 50 Widow
Florence Page 19
Rose Page 11