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Hi,

I think I have found the death of Elizabeth in 1878 and hoped that if I bought the cert,I would get her maiden name.
It seems that maiden names weren't added until the 1960's unfortunately.

Could someone help me out please.

All of the information I have is from the 1871 census of England on Ancestry



1871 England Census about Elizabeth Mongbury Good

Name: Elizabeth Mongbury Good
[Elizabeth Humphreys Good]

Age: 91
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1780

Relation: Mother-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Welshpool; Moggerhanger, Wales
[Welshpool; Montgomeryshire, Wales]

Civil Parish: Camberwell St Giles
Ecclesiastical parish: Camden
Town: Peckham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration District: Camberwell

Sub-registration District: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household Schedule Number: 118
Piece: 730
Folio: 115
Page Number: 19

Household Members:

Name Age
Thomas Joseph Green 71
Sophia Matilda Green 51
Marry A Falneman Green 17
Vistona Matilda Green 14
Gunn Aldnold Green 12

Elizabeth Mongbury Good 91 *

Julia Ellis 55
Nilbralick Williams 25
Harrell Fuller 81
Sarah Clarke 76
Clara Catley 69
Ann Colgate 68

This census is poorly transcribed and most of the names etc are mistranscribed.

On this census Elizabeth is a widowed Baker.

Her husband Richard Good was a Baker on his children's marriages. The last one in 1859.
I have never been able to find Richard and his wife together on a census at all,so don't even know where he was born, or where they lived together.

Richard and Elizabeth's children were

SARAH GOOD spouse Charles Nelson Spice


Birth
1814
Peckham,Surrey,London




Marriage
1833 2 Apr Age: 19
Newington,Southwark, Surrey
Witness's William Williams and Ann Hicks
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JULIA GOOD spouse John Ellis


Birth
1816
Worthing, West Sussex




Marriage
1859 21 Oct Age: 43
50 White Lion St,Islington, Middlesex, England

By Licence.witness's J Rilley/Bailey/Billey,Thomas Audley, his father John a Carpenter her father Richard a Baker.Address 50 White Lion Street

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SOPHIA MATILDA GOOD spouse Thomas Joseph Green


Birth
1819 19 Jul
Camberwell, Surrey, England
southampton st




Marriage to Thomas Joseph Green *
1842 23 Apr Age: 22
Lambeth, Middlesex, England

J Aldridge Crabb is a witness plus looks like Edward Leach.
Her father Richard is a Baker,Grooms father Thomas Peat Green is a Haberdasher.Thomas Occ Surgeon,Peckham with Camberwell

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CHARLES OWEN GOOD


Birth
1819
Peckham, London England


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Baptism
1819 25 Jul
Camberwell St Giles, Surrey, England



Death
1820 abt Age: 1
Surrey
Burial 1 May 1820 Camberwell St Giles age 9 months
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AUGUSTUS GOOD spouse Gertrude Miestress


Birth
1821
Camberwell, Surrey, England


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Marriage to Gertrude Miestres
1848 6 Jun Age: 27
Newington St Mary, England
Hill Street,Peckham,London Gardener, As stated on his marriage entry.William Williams was also a witness to this marriage.Richard his father was deceased .

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AUGUSTA GOOD spouse Charles Nelson Spice

(Augusta married her widowed brother in law)



Birth
1827 abt
Peckham, Surrey, England


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Marriage
1851 9 Nov Age: 24
Southwark, Surrey
17 Lawrence street Chelsea,Occ Baker Charles is a widower.
witness's James Norris and Augustus Good.
Augusta's father Occ Baker
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So I have information for the children of Elizabeth and Richard but nothing for themselves.

Any advice on how/where to look for information on the couple would be great.Also would be a great help if some one else with a fresh perspective could take a look as I'm just going round in circles!

Thanks to any one taking the time to help me out

Blue1

To summarise

Elizabeth Humphreys ????????? is reputed to have married a Richard Good at some stage

Have you looked for a marriage?

https://familysearch.org/

Were any of the children single in 1841?

Hi Reggie

yes i have but no luck so far! this couple are a complete mystery to me.

blue1

Could this be Elizabeth in1851?

1851 census


Person: GOOD, Elizabeth Address: 10, Wyndham Road Elizabeth Place, St Giles Camberwell

GOOD, Elizabeth Widow F 73 1778 Independent
Shrewsbury, Shropshire VIEW

Hi Reggie,

I suppose it would be in the correct area as her son Thomas lived there. I'll have a look and see if Welshpool is near Shrewsbury.

It is....................

Hi Reggie,
Thank you

It seems Welshpool is only about 18 miles from Shrewsbury. If it's her I wonder why she didn't say Welshpool as in the 1871?

I'll have a look at the census to see if it gives any other info

It did occur to me to look for parents with child in the 1841 and
Sophia Matilda Good didn't marry until 1842,but I have had no luck as yet with her on the 1841 either

Blue1

???????


Name: Richard Goode
Event Type: Burial

Death Place:
Burial Date: 03 Nov 1830
Burial Place: Clerkenwell, Middlesex
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Affiliate Publication Number: RG6_0418

So,

Reggie may have found her in the 1851 living in the same area of London as her son Thomas.The only info on it is her name age status (W) and independent plus place of birth Shrewsbury and not Welshpool!

But she is still not with her husband Richard. I have had no luck at all finding a marriage for the couple either in England or Wales

I just can't work out how to find her marriage if there is one to Richard Good,so no nearer a maiden name.


Blue1

Thanks for the burial Reggie.

I've had a look at the last child born in 1827 and hoped it would say Clerkenwell. No such luck though,birth place was Peckham. His Sarah married her widowed brother in law in 1833 but parish of Newington

See what I mean about this family,it's impossible

Blue1

Elizabeth probably born somewhere between Welshpool and Shrewsbury, so whichever came into her head when asked or
Welshpool might not have been familiar to people from out of the area, whereas they may have heard of Shrewsbury.
If her husband was a Baker perhaps he was busy baking overnight and so not with the family at census time.

From your other thread..............


I do have marriages for the children and the father is alive up until 1851 at least, but not found on the census.

Hi Stuart

that sounds reasonable re the couple together as they are both described as Baker's. Maybe neither were about during the census.

I don't know,no marriage birth or death for either of them,no census together or with any of the children prior to 1871.

So this does look like a dead end as far a Elizabeth's maiden name is concerned and info for Richard

Thanks to Reggie and your self for taking the time

Blue1

Well saying that Reggie!

What I meant was they don't say deceased! I'll check through and see which ones say dead or alive

??? Remember ages were rounded down to multples of 5 for 1841 census


1841

Name: Sophia Gude
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration District: Lambeth
Sub-registration District: Kennington First
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1055
Book: 9
Folio: 7
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Hannah Ireland 30
Sophia Gude 20
Michl Kieffer 50

Reggie

so sorry over looked this no father mentioned! 1833

The only one of these children who says father is deceased is Augustus Good in 1848!

Name: Sarah Good
Spouse Name: Charles Spice
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Apr 1833
Parish: Newington St Mary
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Register

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Just says Richard Good Baker,neither dead or alive! 1859
Name: Julia Good
Spouse Name: John Ellis
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 21 Oct 1859
Parish: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Spouse Father Name: John Ellis
Register Type: Parish Register

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Just says father Richard Good, Baker 1842

Name: Sophia Matilda Good
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Spouse Name: Thomas Joseph Pruce
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Apr 1842
Parish: Streatham St Leonard
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Richard Good
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Peak Pruce
Register Type: Parish Register

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Here Augustus gives father as Richard Good DECEASED 1848

Name: Gertrude Buttersworth
Spouse Name: Augustus Good
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Jun 1848
Parish: Newington St Mary
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: John Miestress
Spouse Father Name: Richard Good
Register Type: Parish Register

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Here father Richard Good a Baker 1851
Augusta Good
Spouse Name: Charles Spice
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Nov 1851
Parish: Camberwell Emmanuel
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Richard Good
Spouse Father Name: Zachariah Spice
Register Type: Parish Register
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Blue1

Hi rootgatherer,

I had forgotten that about the ages

I'll just check it out on Ancestry

Back in a mo

Hi

It's the correct name and Surrey as place of birth,but Sophia Married a Surgeon.On this census it says her occ is FS not sure they would be in the same circles what do you think

Blue1

Just wanted to say thank you to everyone who helped out.

I have to go out now but will check back later in case by chance a miracle has happened and sense was made of my rambling on by someone!


all the best
Blue1

From the 1871 census you posted

[Elizabeth Humphreys Good]

Age: 91
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1780

Relation: Mother-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Welshpool; Moggerhanger, Wales
[Welshpool; Montgomeryshire, Wales]

Have you considered that her middle name (Humphreys) could have 2 or more meanings, 1, she was illegitimate and Humphreys is her fathers surname or 2, she kept her maiden name after marriage, My wife has kept her maiden name as a middle name and it is included in the names of our children.

Their are several Elizabeth Humphreys baptisms listed 1780 +/- 5 years in the Welshpool Montgomeryshire area

http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/Search.pl

Roy