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The death record that Flip posted for Ephraim Ryles would be correct as the place of death ties in with where some of his children were living at the time. I assumed that the mother's name of Margaret Newcastle had somehow been mixed up with a place of birth (Newcastle on Tyne) and her correct name was Margaret Wright as reflected in Ephraim's baptism record.

Hi Chris and Ann. I have looked more closely at the information you have found. Firstly, the 1841 census would be right as the death records for all the children mentioned in this census occur in Australia which would be correct. For Catherine - looking at the 1841 census plus her death record put her year of birth at 1812 not 1808.
This rules out Joseph Saunders & Isabella Turner being her correct parents which supports the death record of a young Catherine Saunders from these 2 parents.
All Australian records support Catherine's maiden name to be Saunders or Sanders.

Baptism
County Northumberland
Place Newcastle Upon Tyne
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 10 Apr 1811
Forename Ephraim
Sex M
FatherForename Aaron
MotherForename Margaret
FatherSurname RYLES
MotherSurname
Abode Stoke on Trent
FatherOccupation Potter
Notes 1st son of Aaron and Margaret - daughter of Joseph Wright Watm. Of Whickham, Durham

(can see above, if any good!)

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?adv=y

(also looking around on above!)

Chris :)

Not sure about that death Chris, with no ages given not easy. However, there is an Isabella Lackenby living Biker, Newcastle with husband Thomas in 1851 and she was born 1795 so if the death is her she is too young.

This death doesn't quite stack up against the rootweb link you posted Chris, wonder if they got it wrong - the age looks right:

Ephraim Ryles
Death Place: Willenabrina, Victoria
Age: 86
Father's Name: Ryles Ephraim
Mother's Name: Margt Newcastle
Registration Year: 1897
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 10888
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811

(been looking round, not seeing a lot!, other than Ryles Baptisms)

County Northumberland
Place Newcastle Upon Tyne
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 10 Jul 1831
Forename Aaron
Sex M
FatherForename Ephraim
MotherForename Catharine
FatherSurname RYLES
MotherSurname
Abode Sheriff Hills
FatherOccupation Potter

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl


Deaths Mar 1856 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------------
Lackenby Isabella Newcastle T 10b 36

(not sure if Isabella)

Chris :)

Name: Eph Ryles
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1841
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Birthplace:
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Sunderland
Sub-District: Bishop Wearmouth, North
Parish: Bishop Wearmouth
County: Durham

Ann, aren't they the same Anne/Catherine posted earlier, whose burials Chris has found?

Name: Anne Saunders
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 04 Nov 1808
Christening Place: Gateshead, Durham, England
Father's Name: Joseph Saunders
Mother's Name: Isabella Larsen
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04838-8
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 252781
Reference ID: yr 1799-1812

Name: Catherine Saunders
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 04 Nov 1808
Christening Place: Gateshead, Durham, England
Father's Name: Joseph Saunders
Mother's Name: Isabella
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04838-8
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 252781
Reference ID: yr 1799-1812

how about these?

Name: Mary Saunders
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 11 Feb 1811
Christening Place: Gateshead, Durham, England
Race:
Father's Name: Joseph Saunders
Mother's Name: Isabella Larker
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04838-8
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 252781
Reference ID: yr 1799-1812

(sorry Flip, added to post, looks a likely!. Having to leave chair here for now, see you later)

Chris :)

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mytangledweb/family_stories.htm

More likely this marriage?

Ephraim Ryles
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Catherine Landers
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 11 Jul 1830
Event Place: Saint John'S Parish, Newcastle Upon Tynes, England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01985-2
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 847920
Reference ID: p301

So if Cathrine & Annie both died, they can't be the right family - it must be a different Catherine who married Ephriam Ryles, I see both their deaths in Australia and think the 1841 census is the right family.

What do you have to confirm her maiden name/parents names please Annette?

Burial
County Durham
Place Gateshead
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber
BurialDate 14 Nov 1808
Forename Catherine
Relationship Dau of
Rel1MaleForename Joseph
Rel1FemaleForename Isabella
Rel1Surname SAUNDERS
Surname SAUNDERS
Age 10d
Abode
Notes Died 13th Nov. Father's occupation - Pitman. Mother late TURNER

(found above, also Anne, added to earlier post)

Chris :)

Baptism
County Durham
Place Monkwearmouth
Church St. Peter
RegisterNumber 1590
DateOfBirth 18 Apr 1834
BaptismDate 14 May 1837
Forename Ann Isabella
Sex -
FatherForename Ephraim
MotherForename Mary
FatherSurname RYALS
MotherSurname
Abode Hylton
FatherOccupation Potter

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Marriage (Find My Past) (probably above)
Day:28
Month:Aug
Year:1828
Groom forenames:Ephriam
Groom surname:Ryles
Grooms parish:
Groom other:
Bride forenames:Mary
Bride Surname:Rutherford
Brides parish:
Bride other:
Place:
Description:Newcastle, St. John
County:Northumberland
Checked:N
Origin:
Record source:Northumberland and Durham Marriages


Marriage (Find My Past)
Day:11
Month:Jul
Year:1830
Groom forenames:Ephriam
Groom surname:Ryles
Grooms parish:
Groom other:
Bride forenames:Catherine
Bride Surname:Sanders
Brides parish:
Bride other:
Place:
Description:Newcastle, St. John
County:Northumberland
Checked:N
Origin:
Record source:Northumberland and Durham Marriages

Ancestry has Isabella's surname transcribed as Leckenby in 1841 - the 'by' is written in the census above the surname.

This could be the 1851 census entry for the 1855 death that Ann found

1851 England Census
Joseph Saunders Age: 68 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1783
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Saunders
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Dover, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Durham Country: England
Registration District: Sunderland Sub-registration District: South Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1k Household Schedule Number: 256 Piece: 2396 Folio: 404 Page Number: 63
Joseph Saunders 68
Jane Saunders 66
Jane E Saunders 2
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2396; Folio: 404; Page: 63; GSU roll: 87074.

Cathrn Ryles
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Female

Civil Parish: Bishop Wearmouth
Hundred: Easington (North Division)
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration District: Sunderland
Sub-registration District: Bishop Wearmouth North
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 310
Book: 13
Folio: 11
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Cathrn Ryles 30

The ancestry transcript has missed off the rest of the household:

Eph Ryles 30 (waterman)
Eliz 1
Aaron 10
Mary Ann 9
Margt 7
Joseph 3
Wm Rippon? (waterman)
Isabella Leelson 65 - not sure of the name, maybe someone else can make it out

Only Cathrine and Joseph born in county.

Added: No relationships given in 1841, but I wonder if Isabella is the mother in law, and remarried??

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Name: Joseph Saunders
Gender: Male
Burial Date: 31 May 1855
Burial Place: Bishopwearmouth, Durham
Death Date: 27 May 1855
Death Place:
Age: 72
Birth Date: 1783
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B02601-6
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1514678
Reference ID: it 2, p 149, rn 1185

Name: Mary Saunders
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 11 Feb 1810
Christening Place: GATESHEAD,DURHAM,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 21 Dec 1809
Father's Name: Joseph Saunders
Mother's Name: Isabella Turner
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00059-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 0252779-0252785