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Thank you Tempest, that is most helpful to fill in a few gaps. Pondering time again.....

hi

here's the 1851 census

Address: 48, Cavalier Street, Leeds

BURROW, Thomas Head Married M 37 1814 Shoe Maker Leeds, Yorkshire
BURROW, Elizabeth Wife Married F 35 1816 Leeds, Yorkshire
BURROW, Eliza Daughter Unmarried F 18 1833 Employed In Flax Mill Leeds, Yorkshire
BURROW, Alexander Son Unmarried M 17 1834 Shoe Maker At Home Leeds, Yorkshire
BURROW, Thomas Son Unmarried M 12 1839 Employed In Flax Mill (Half Time) Leeds, Yorkshire
BURROW, William Son Unmarried M 9 1842 Leeds, Yorkshire
BURROW, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 7 1844 Leeds, Yorkshire
BURROW, Christiana Daughter F 4 1847 Leeds, Yorkshire
BURROW, Sarah Daughter F 2 1849 Leeds, Yorkshire

If anybody is still looking at this thread I have just found, in Family Search :-

Alexander Burrow
Son

England and Wales Census, 1851
birth: Leeds, Yorkshire
census: 1851 England

If he is still at home in '51 does the census give the full SP on his father (Thomas?) please.

Many thanks,
Frances

Thank you all for your input and with spending time to ponder over all the input there are clearly two families with an overlap of 'same names' but the one including Herbert is mine - thank goodness you have sorted that for me.

I presume you have looked for Kate as Catherine or Katherine

Off now until much later tonight so will leave you to work out which way your head if facing :-D

Yes Maureen, that's the Herbert I am following but are there two Kate Burrow as I can only find the one marriage - I am starting to wonder if my head is facing the right way....?

Name: Herbert Burrow
Birth Year: abt 1892
Age: 21
Marriage or Bann Date: 4 Aug 1913
Parish: Holbeck, St Matthew and New Wortley, St John the Baptist
Father's Name: William Burrow - boot rivetter
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Burnley
Spouse's Father's Name: Charles Burnley

This was a private baptism and says the child died

William is a shoe maker


Name: Eliza Burrow
Birth Date: 13 Mar 1881
Parish: Leeds, St Saviour
Baptism Date: 19 Jan 1882
Father's Name: William Burrow
Mother's Name: Kate Burrow




Name: Mary Burrow
Birth Date: 29 Nov 1883
Parish: Leeds, St Saviour
Baptism Date: 12 Dec 1883
Father's Name: William Burrow
Mother's Name: Kate Burrow


Name: James William Burrow
Birth Date: 29 Dec 1886
Parish: Leeds, St Saviour
Baptism Date: 16 Jan 1889
Father's Name: William Burrow
Mother's Name: Kate Burrow


Name: Ada Burrow
Birth Date: 5 Dec 1888
Parish: Leeds, St Saviour
Baptism Date: 16 Jan 1889
Father's Name: William Burrow
Mother's Name: Kate Burrow


Name: Eliza Burrow
Birth Date: 25 Apr 1896
Parish: Leeds, St Peter
Baptism Date: 12 Sep 1897
Father's Name: William Burrow
Mother's Name: Kate Burrow

Occupation of boot rivetter


Strange if the 1891 is the same family as different occupation

There is a post up near the top which says work backwards from the known .....

My point of known is

Marriages Sep 1913
Burrow Herbert Burnley Bramley
9b 660

Burnley Mary A Burrow Bramley
9b 660

The 1911 for a Herbert Burrow is

1911 Census
BURROW KATE F 1867 44 Bramley Yorkshire West Riding
BURROW JAMES WILLIAM M 1887 24 Bramley Yorkshire West Riding
BURROW ALICE F 1890 21 Bramley Yorkshire West Riding
BURROW HERBERT M 1892 19 Bramley Yorkshire West Riding
BURROW ARTHUR M 1895 16 Bramley Yorkshire West Riding
BURROW ELIZA F 1897 14 Bramley Yorkshire West Riding

but James William's age has already strayed from a potential year of 1886 to 1887 not that significant really and he still has a mother Kate as in 1891.

If Kate hadn't become a widow it would all be a lot simpler.....

Thanks Mike this is a real puzzle. William seems to be two people at once! I have him in the 1891 cencus with an age that looks like 37 and he is a coal miner, birth place Wortley ( there is one in Leeds). He has 3 children with Kate aged 27, who becomes a widow by 1901 and is then 44. It is not that unusual for ancestors to change their info but this one is really stretching it towards incredulity!

There is a correction made on the 1861 I posted at the beginning
'
......
Andrew Burrow
[Alexander Burrow]
Alexander Burrow rather than Andrew Burrow
The original data on the record is incorrect.

Submitted by carolian142 on 08/03/2011

The 1861 posted by Mike has been altered on Ancestry to show father as Alexander and not Andrew

In case it is relevant

Name: Alexander Burrow
Birth Year: abt 1833
Age: 21
Marriage or Bann Date: 6 Nov 1854
Parish: Leeds, St Peter
Father's Name: Thomas Burrow
Spouse's Name: Mary Ellis
Spouse's Father's Name: George Ellis

If the father is Alexander then other children could be

Elizabeth 1866

Margaret Elizabeth 1860

Eliza 1861

Thomas 1864

so not the one born 1854 then ????

Thanks Maureen you are a star, 2 father's names is a real breakthrough. Would you like to share a celebratory cup of coffee with me...lol

Name: William Burrow
Birth Date: 8 Jan 1857
Parish: Leeds, St Peter
Baptism Date: 25 Oct 1857
Father's Name: Alexander Burrow - mechanic
Mother's Name: Mary Burrow

Are you sure you have the right William Burrow.?

This one married Kate but his age is out


Name:William Burrow
Birth Year:abt 1858
Age:23
Marriage or Bann Date:5 Sep 1881
Parish:Leeds, St Saviour
Father's Name:Alexander Burrow
Spouse's Name:Kate Smith
Spouse's Father's Name:James Smith


plus,
trees on ancestry have the William born 1854 as dying same year.


Deaths Dec 1854
Burrow William - Leeds 9b 203

Just for ref. is this him, as should be together in 1881 also?

1891 England Census
William Burrow Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Kate Burrow
Gender: Male Where born: Methley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Brotherton Ecclesiastical parish: St Edward
Town: Brotherton County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Registration District: Pontefract
Sub-registration District: Knottingley
ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Piece: 3757 Folio: 13 Page Number: 19
William Burrow 37 coal miner
Kate Burrow 27
Elizabeth Burrow 10
Mary Burrow 9
James W Burrow 5
Beda Burrow 3
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3757; Folio: 13; Page: 19; GSU Roll: 6098867.

Thanks Mike but I don't think they would be so far out on his age - by 1861 I would expect him to be 6