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I was just about to post the same census as Potty, think you may have got them - but George maybe a bit younger than originally thought?

Mary Ann is widowed here:

1891 England Census
Mary A Arrowsmith Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Head
Where born: Birmingham Civil Parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen Town: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England
Registration District: Birmingham Sub-registration District: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Piece: 2389 Folio: 115 Page Number: 42
Mary A Arrowsmith 41
Arthur J Arrowsmith 13
Alfred Arrowsmith 2 son so who is the father?
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2389; Folio: 115; Page: 42; GSU Roll: 6097499.

Not that it really helps, but could this be the birth of the Harry in 1911:


Births Mar 1904 (>99%)
HARROWSMITH Harry Aston 6d 398

could this be John
Civil registration event: Death
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Name: ARROWSMITH, John

Registration district: [?] Birmingham

County: Warwickshire

Year of registration: 1882

Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar

Age at death:36

Volume no: 6D

Page no: 92

edit already posted by Patchem

Thank you so much for your help so far.

There isn't an address on the Marriage Certificate sadly.

So if George was actually Alfred then I should be able to order his birth certificate.

Now to find Johns birth as I think the death record is him, I'd love to know who sired the child after his death. Mind you I'd like to find out who my grand dads father was aswell lol

John in 1861,
Studley Warwichshire not Worcestershire
CHELLINGWORTH, Ann Head Widow F 40 1821 Needle Manufacturer
Studley, Warwickshire VIEW
CHELLINGWORTH, George Son M 6 1855 Scholar
Studley, Warwickshire VIEW
ARROWSMITH, John Boarder Unmarried M 15 1846 Needle Finisher
Studley, Warwickshire VIEW

Piece: 2233

Folio: 66

Page: 26

Registration District: Alcester

Civil Parish: Studley

Municipal Borough:

Address: Alcester Road, Studley

County: Warwickshire