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1. Noah Davis/Davies was supposed to have been born 28 Mar 1813 - Rowley, Staffordshire, England. Parents William & Mary

Supposed to have married 27 Jul 1835 to Eliza Woodall - St Martin's Tipton

Died 11 Aug 1884 Union Workhouse Sedgley Staffordshire. Name recorded as Davies. (I have the cert)

Can't find him 1841 or 1851 census

2. Supposed son - James (Woodall) Davies/Davis said to have been born 28 Jul 1833 - Kate's Hill, Worcestershire, England.

Can't find the record - not sure if he was born out of wedlock as Woodall.

The information is from others but I can't find any of the records/urls to prove any of it.

Can anybody help - would appreciate it :-D :-D

Edit: Sorry edited death sorry my typo.

If the information is from others, why not contact them to find their sources?

For ref...........here is the 1861

1861 England Census
about Noah Davies Name: Noah Davies
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza Davies
Gender: Male
Where born: Rowley, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Dudley
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Dudley
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration District: Dudley
Sub-registration District: Dudley
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 85
Piece: 2060
Folio: 13
Page Number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
Noah Davies 48
Eliza Davies 46
Jos Davies 18
Silveas Davies 16
Charlotte Davies 10
Rosehand Davies 6
Mary Ann Davies 16 Months

But isn't this him?



1861 census transcription details for: High Street, Dudley

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 2060
Folio: 13
Page: 21
Reg. District: Dudley
Sub District: 4 Dudley
Parish: Dudley
Enum. District: 34
Ecclesiastical District: St Johns
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: High Street, Dudley
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
DAVIES, Noah Head Married M 48 1813 Puddler
Sedgley, Staffordshire
DAVIES, Eliza Wife Married F 46 1815
Dudley, Worcestershire
DAVIES, Job Son Unmarried M 18 1843 Puddler
Dudley, Worcestershire
DAVIES, Sileas Daughter F 14 1847
Dudley, Worcestershire
DAVIES, Charlotte Daughter F 10 1851
Dudley, Worcestershire
DAVIES, Roseanna Daughter F 6 1855
Dudley, Worcestershire
DAVIES, Mary Ann Daughter F 1 (16M) 1860
Dudley, Worcestershire

According to this he wasn't born 28 Mar 1813, that was his baptism:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N1JF-2DW

Will give mums name

Name: Job Davies
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1843
Registration District: Dudley
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 18
Page: 348

Looks like he didn't die till 1884

Name: Noah Davies
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1884
Age at Death: 71
Registration District: Dudley
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6c
Page: 42

I would have thought that based on the census above that this death was more likely:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Noah Davies
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1884
Age at Death: 71
Registration District: Dudley
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6c
Page: 42


rather than


Name: Noah Davis
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1854
Registration District: Wolverhampton
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 299

He is with son Joseph in 1881
Name: Noah Davies
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Father
Gender: Male
Where born: Dudley, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Tipton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 2 CT 3 Chapel St
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Occupation: Puddler Retired
Registration District: Dudley
Sub-registration District: Tipton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2863
Folio: 123
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Davies 36
Mary Davies 34
Joseph Davies 11
Noah Davies 6
Eliza Davies 5
Charlotte Davies 3
Moses Davies
Noah Davies 70

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2863; Folio: 123; Page: 25; GSU roll: 1341686.

1851 census
Name: Noah Pains
[User-submitted-comment]
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza Pains
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Dudley, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Dudley
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Dudley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address:St Johns Road

Occupation:PUDDLER

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View Image
Registration District: Dudley
Sub-registration District: Dudley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1dd
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 54
Piece: 2033
Folio: 222
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Noah Pains 38
Eliza Pains 36
Jas Pains 18
Thos Pains 15
Jane Pains 13
Maria Pains 11
Josh Pains 7
Olive Pains 5
Caroline Pains 3

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2033; Folio: 222; Page: 16; GSU roll: 87440.


Submitted correction

Surname was poss.Payne Davies (various spellings )The family seemed to swop from Davies to Paine /Payne .
Submitted by thomwood1 on 12/01/2012

Baptism
County Staffordshire
Place Dudley Staffs
Church St Thomas
RegisterNumber 154
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 28 Jul 1833
Forename James
Sex M
FatherForename
MotherForename Eliza
FatherSurname
MotherSurname WOODALL
Abode Freebodies
FatherOccupation
Notes 'Illegitimate'


Baptism
County Staffordshire
Place Dudley Staffs
Church St Thomas
RegisterNumber 128
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 28 Mar 1813
Forename Noah
Sex M
FatherForename William
MotherForename Mary
FatherSurname DAVIS
MotherSurname
Abode Rowley
FatherOccupation Nailor

Chris :)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

(from above useful link)

Sorry I made a typo in Noah's death - have edited the opening post.
1861 census is corrected it is the info before then that is missing.
I have obviously asked others but nobody seems to be able to explain where the info came from that is why I'm trying to prove it.

Can't get my head round the new IGI site - struggling to find any info for myself

Thanks everybody

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1841 England Census about Noah Davis
Name: Noah Davis
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: West Bromwich
Hundred: South Offlow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

View Image
Registration District: West Bromwich
Sub-registration District: West Bromwich Southwest
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 978
Book: 9
Folio: 8
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Noah Davis 25
Eliza Davis 20
James Davis 8
Thomas Davis 6
Jane Davis 4
Maria Davis 2
Joseph Davis 1 Mo
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 978; Book: 9; Civil Parish: West Bromwich; County: Staffordshire; Enumeration District: 19; Folio: 8; Page: 8; Line: 16; GSU roll: 474614.

Burial
County Staffordshire
Place Bilston
Church Wesleyan Methodist Chapel (Swan Bank)
RegisterNumber 28314
BurialDate 15 May 1854
Forename Noah
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname DAVIS
Age 14
Abode Bilston

(above 1854)

Chris :)

(oh, post now changed to 1884)

Gosh this is moving so fast - just shows fresh eyes are invaluable.

Shirley - where did you find the 1841 census & 1851 (Pain).
Is there an url link

Chris Ho - thanks for the baptism indo - never throught of FreeReg

MarieCeleste - I have corrected the info so the records are bapts

Thanks everybody

1871 England Census about Noah Davis
Name: Noah Davis
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza Davis
Gender: Male
Where born: Dudley, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Tipton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration District: Dudley
Sub-registration District: Tipton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household Schedule Number: 28
Piece: 2998
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Noah Davis 58 PUDDLER
Eliza Davis 55
Mary A Davis 11

Shirley - thanks found them - wonder where the Paine name came from and why.

This is amazing this morning - thanks so much

If anybody has the time can they look up the baptism/birth of the children
Thomas, Jane & Joseph.

Not sure if Thomas is Noah's son either.

Want to be sure of my facts before I pass the info on.

Need the marriage of Noah & Eliza Woodall confirmed as well.

It appears Noah married as Paine:

Eliza Woodhall, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "

Name: Noah Paine
Spouse's Name: Eliza Woodhall
Event Date: 27 Jul 1835
Event Place: St. Martin, Tipton, Stafford, England

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M16744-5
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1526189
Reference ID: 2:3S323DB
Sources

Citing this Record
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXYZ-S2P

(FamilySearch is really easy to use now)

Perhaps Noah was illegitimate and switched between father and mother's surnames?

MarieCeleste thank you - didn't think of that.

I'm carefully copying everything with all the references

To sort out the births of all their kids is going to e a nightmare