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Thank you Chris & Marie
You have been so kind I dont want to know anymore about the mannell family as Im divorced

I would prefer my fathers side the mcdowells but im stuck with them
I have asked genes members many times before for help


All the best

joyce

(must just add below, to round William off, and because he's been interesting!)

Day:21
Month:Jul
Year:1825
Groom Forename:William
Groom Surname:Mannell
Groom's parish:Hollesley
Groom's condition:Widower
Bride Forename:Rachael
Bride Surname:Howes
Bride's Parish:
Bride's condition:
Place:Sutton
County:Suffolk
Country:England
Record source:Suffolk Marriage Index (1813-37)

Chris :)

So your William isn't the Victory man then. Oh well. They may have been distantly related!

But if you need any help with your Dorset Mannells then do let us know.

Marie

The william mannells in a relations tree were from dorset I was told today so this william mannell from alderborough isnt related even though he had the same name
Sorry I should have checked this out before I put it on the threads anyhow it was very interesting reading all about him

Joyce - if you look at the info George has posted from the National Archives it infers that the William Mannell who served on the Victory was born Aldborough, Suffolk.

Are you saying that it can't be your William because you think he was from Dorset?

ADDED:
The battle of Trafalgar was 1805, the muster roll for the Victory at that time gives William Mannell's age as 23, which would be born closer to 1782 - again closer in age to the census records found.
Link to the muster roll
http://www.hms-victory.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=79:trafalgar-roll-magee-rylett&catid=81:trafalgar-roll&Itemid=491
There is only one William Mannell on the Victory muster roll so that must be the one born in Suffolk.

Just because the newspapers of the time said he was 97 it doesn't mean he was, that might be what he told people - possibly believing himself that he was. Having lived that long and not having a birth certificate to refer to (that's if he was literate) then any confusion is understandable.

I've had another look at the index that the death transcription was taken from and I'd say it should read age 91.

George
You have been busy I have already read all about the william mannell trawler and it was interesting reading the national archives I am sure william isnt related

Thanks for your help

Just for further interest.

WILLIAM MANNELL, trawler/minesweeper. BUILT 1916, SUNK 1949

NAMED AFTER A QUARTERMASTER'S MATE who served aboard HMS Victory with Nelson at Trafalgar, the William Mannell was built for the Royal Navy at Middlesbrough as a Castle-class steel trawler in 1916, and launched as an escort trawler on 2 June, 1917, writes Kendall McDonald.
She survived the war and was sold by auction in Milford Haven in 1920 to start her civilian life of fishing.
Registered in London with the fishing number LO370, the 276-ton steam trawler was 125ft long, with a beam of 23ft and a draught of 12ft.
She was powered by a 61hp three-cylinder engine, and had her 12-pounder gun removed. But she had not finished with war.
On 10 June, 1940, the Admiralty requisitioned the William Mannell and converted her to a minesweeper, paying a monthly hire rate of £80 to her owners, the Boston Deep Sea Fishing & Ice Co of Fleetwood.
After surviving her second war, the Mannell returned to civilian fishing in November, 1945. Three years later she was sold to J Marr & Son of Fleetwood for £12,500, and fished the West of Scotland grounds under her skipper, Reuben J Melhuish, and 13 crew.
Out of Fleetwood with the trawler Gava in February, 1949, she was fishing the St Kilda grounds when gale warnings drove both trawlers to anchor in a small bay near Glengad Head, Donegal, on Ireland's north coast.
While fishing, Captain Melhuish had found his steering gear jammed, but this had been easily freed by giving the wheel a small turn in the reverse direction.
By 4am the next day, 22 February, the weather seemed to have improved enough to start fishing again, and Captain Melhuish ordered the anchor raised. He then increased his speed from "slow" to "half ahead", and put the wheel hard aport.
However, his steering had jammed again, and he made only a slight turn to port. Before he could stop the engine, the vessel hit the rocks, and stayed there listing to port, despite the engine being run at full astern for several minutes.
The crew abandoned ship into the boat, rowed to the Gava and got aboard.
Two hours later, the captain and chief engineer went back to find the fish-hatch full of sea water, although the engine-room was dry.
At 12.15pm the Mannell refloated, listing to port, on the rising tide. The trawler was taking in water and down by the head, but the Gava attempted to tow her to a nearby beach.
At 3pm this bid ended when the waterlogged trawler listed violently to port and sank by the head in "14 fathoms of water".
Captain Melhuish was heavily criticised by the Admiralty Court held in August 1949 for his "lack of seamanlike care", because he had made no attempt to maintain steam and operate the pumps after stranding. His certificate was suspended for six months.




George

From the Nat Archives

Don't know if it helps or not.Im having difficulty understanding the notes.LOL


William Mannell aged 33 born in Aldborough, Suffolk, England.
Ship: HMS Victory
Rank/Rating: Quartermaster's Mate
Personal details
Notes
Mannel alias Lambert William ADM 29/56 p535 As Mannel William Victory (SB 530) aged 31; 7 May 1803-12 Sept 1805 AB 13 Sept 1805-5 Jan 1806 Quartermaster HMS Ocean (SLVO 634) 6 Jan 1806-15 Jan 1806 Quartermasters Mate (SB 137) 16 Jan 1806-31 Dec 1808 Quatermasters Mate 1 Jan 1809-13 April 1809 Quartermaster 14 April 1809-16 July 1809 Masters Mate Milford (SB 331) 17 July 1809-22 July 1809 Mid 23 July 1809-6 Sept 1809 Masters Mate (run from leave-Plymouth) As Lambert William Pactolus (SB 317) 8 Aug 1816-25 May 1817 AB (smuggler) Wye (SB 180) 26 May 1817-31 Dec 1817 AB 1 Jan 1818-20 Oct 1818 Quartermaster Leander (SB 770) 21 Oct 1818-24 Oct 1818 AB 25 Oct 1818-11 June 1819 quartermaster Cyrene? (SB 85) 12 June 1819-27 Oct 1819 Gunners Crew 28 Oct 1819-27 Aug 1821 Master at Arms Queen Charlotte (SB 925) 25 Sept 1821-2 Oct 1821 Seaman, AB Time from 8 Aug 1816-27 Aug 1821 not allowed this man having been convicted for smuggling Manell William ADM 29/44 p387 Victory (SB 530?) aged 31?; 7 May 1803-12 April 1805 AB 13 Sept 1805-15 Jan 1806 Quartermasters mate Ocean 16 JAn 1806-31 Dec 1808 Quartermasters Mate 1 JAn 1809-13 April 1809 Quartermaster 14 April 1809-16 July 1809 masters Mate Milford 17 July 1809-22 July 1809 Mid 23 July 1809-6 Sept 1809 Masters Mate (run) A 23 March 1850


Service details
Comments: From: Sheerness Tender
HMS Victory
Ship's pay book number: (SB 529)
11 May 1803 to 12 September 1805
Rank/rating: Able Seaman
Comments: prest


13 September 1805 to 15 January 1806 (Was at Trafalgar)
Rank/rating: Quartermaster's Mate

Sources used
Catalogue reference: ADM 36/15900

George

There is only one William Mannell on the image - the age is not very clear but more likely to be 94.

The entry has been transcribed by two different people who have disagreed over what they see in the entry. If you see an entry on freebmd in bold, this means that it has been transcribed by two different people and they have both transcribed it the same. Freebmd intend that eventually every entry will be double transcribed.

Marie
The 97 year old one from greenwich served on the victory which I assume is the correct william mannell which I read on a google site

I found our mannell family came from Dorset


Thanks for the interest

That looks to be same reference numbers MC, bit odd!.

Would think National Archives would have something relating, Navy/Trafalgar wise.

Chris :)

Deaths Mar 1871 (>99%)
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Mannell William 91 Greenwich 1d 559
Mannell William 94 Greenwich 1d 559

We posted above the death for the 94 year old in Greenwich, but also came across this:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915

Name: William Mannell
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1780
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1871
Age at Death: 91
Registration District: Greenwich
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 559

This age is more consistent with the census records posted.

So, was there more than one William Mannell who was a mariner?

Chris, that 1841 could be right as ages were rounded down so he could have been between 55-59. If he was 59 then that would just about tie in with the age on other census.

Chris & Marie

Thank you both for the information I found this info about his age in the newspaper I never knew he was married this info is for a relation who thought he may be related
I was only told he was serving on the victory


Thank you

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/john.boon/Shingle%20Street/Shinglestreethome.htm

1841
MANNEL, William M 55 1786 Suffolk (Pilot)
MANNEL, Rachel F 35 1806 Suffolk
HOWES, Elizabeth F 70 1771 Suffolk
Piece: 1041
Book/Folio: 3
Page: 1
Registration District: Woodbridge
Civil Parish: Bawdsey
Municipal Borough:
Address: Shingle St, Bawdsey
County: Suffolk

Chris :)

edits (no, age wrong!)

1851 has him as a widower:

VINCE, George Head Married M 28 1823 Inn Keeper Hamersfield, Suffolk
VINCE, Elizabeth Wife Married F 34 1817 Worlingworth, Suffolk
VINCE, Elizabeth Daughter F 7 1844 Scholar Ufford, Suffolk
VINCE, Henry Visitor M 10 1841 Scholar London
MANNELL, William Lodger Widower M 70 1781 Mariner Aldborugh, Suffolk
GROOM, Lionel Lodger Widower M 48 1803 Cordwainer Melton, Suffolk

Piece: 1801 Folio: 524 Page: 19
Registration District: Woodbridge
Civil Parish: Hollesley

Address: Fox Inn, Hollesley County: Suffolk

Looks like he was born Suffolk:

1861 England Census

Name: Wm Mannell
Age: 81
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1780
Relation: In Pensioner (Boarder)
Gender: Male
Where born: Olborough, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Greenwich
Ecclesiastical parish: London
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration District: Greenwich
Sub-registration District: Greenwich East
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Hospital Greenwich

Household Schedule Number: 1
Piece: 403
Folio: 126
Page Number: 10

The Hampshire Advertiser (Southampton, England), Wednesday, March 15, 1871

(snippet says 9th, at the Residence of Widow French, 7, Garden Stairs, Greenwich)

Chris :)

1871 (not sure if Martha on image?)
FRENCH, Martha Lodger F 81 1790 Cornwall (Dressmaker)
Piece: 752
Folio: 4
Page: 2
Registration District: Greenwich
Civil Parish: Greenwich
Municipal Borough:
Address: Garden Stairs, Greenwich
County: London, Kent

A Trafalgar Veteran. On the 9th inst., William Mannell, aged 97, died at Greenwich. He was rated A.B. No. on
inst., William Mannell, aged 97, died at Greenwich. He was rated A.B. No. on board Her Majesty's ship Victory at Trafalgar, and acted as quartermaster iii that memorable engagement. The Suez Canal. Although it has been denied that the Suez Canal is likely
Westmorland Gazette
North West, England
18/03/1871
Article

VIEW

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/28415407

(above from google)

Chris :)