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martynsue

martynsue Report 17 Jun 2013 19:14

could someone please see if they can find the census record's for this family.
I have Thomas cooney born 1842 Bradford Yorkshire,
I can get him on the 1891 census as a widower & his wife mary dying in 1891,
he is listed with quite a few of his children in oldhamwere they were all born,his youngest is Michael born 1891.thomas died in 1894 so what happened to the children,i have looked for Michael in 1901 census but got no return's.

there seem's to be a gap with the census record's from 1851-1891 I cannot seem to find Thomas as a child,i was trying to find out his parent's from the record's but I have drawn a blank on the census record's.

any help would be most welcome.
thank you sue.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 17 Jun 2013 19:24

Do you have any certs such as the marriage one or any of the births certs for the children

Barry

Barry Report 17 Jun 2013 19:25

In the 1861 Thomas is in Oldham with parents Patrick and Bridget and siblings

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 17 Jun 2013 19:27

1891 just for info

Name: Thomas Conney
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Oldham
Ecclesiastical parish: Oldham Church
Town: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: joiners labourer

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Oldham
Sub-registration District: Oldham Below Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3300
Folio: 77
Page Number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Conney 48
Henery Conney 26
Maria Conney 21
Patrick Conney 19
Elizabeth Conney 17
John S Conney 13
Catherine Conney 11
Sarah Conney 10
Michael Conney 6/12

Class: RG12; Piece: 3300; Folio: 77; Page: 30; GSU Roll: 6098410.

All children shown as born in Oldham

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 17 Jun 2013 19:28

1861 mistranscribed:

CORNEY, Patrick Head Married M 47 1814 Green Grocer Ireland
CORNEY, Bridget Wife Married F 48 1813 Ireland
CORNEY, Thomas Son Unmarried M 18 1843 Cotton Piecer Bradford, Yorkshire
CORNEY, John Son Unmarried M 13 1848 Oldham, Lancashire
CORNEY, Patrick Son Unmarried M 12 1849 Oldham, Lancashire
CORNEY, Anthony Son M 7 1854 Scholar Oldham, Lancashire
CORNEY, Edward Son M 2 1859 Scholar Oldham, Lancashire
CORNEY, Mary Daughter F 9 1852 Scholar Oldham, Lancashire

Piece: 3007 Folio: 92 Page: 10
Registration District: Oldham
Civil Parish: Oldham
Municipal Borough: Oldham

Address: Henshaw Street, Oldham County: Lancashire

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 17 Jun 2013 19:30

He is on 1871 and 1881 census in Oldham

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 17 Jun 2013 19:31

??

Births Dec 1890 (>99%)
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Cooney Michael Grady Oldham 8d 550

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 17 Jun 2013 19:33

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Thomas Cooney
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1842
Registration District: Bradford
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 23
Page: 130

The certificate will tell you his mother's maiden name.

martynsue

martynsue Report 17 Jun 2013 19:35

thank you ,
the 1891 is the family,he is my gg grandfather and I have just started looking at Thomas to get further back,
1861 give's his parent's which is brilliant as I now have extra name's to match on any record's I find,

Barry

Barry Report 17 Jun 2013 19:42

The 1861 census on Ancestry has the correct transcription COONEY although I must say it does look like CORNEY on the image

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 17 Jun 2013 19:48

I don't think Michael is the son of Thomas and Mary.

The age of 6 months on the 1891 census is consistent with the birth record that Glitterbaby posted.

This appears to be Mary's death:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915

Name: Mary Cooney
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1891
Age at Death: 48
Registration District: Oldham
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 536

Not only had she already been dead for at least 6 months when he was born she was also a tad old (not altogether impossible age-wise but I think she would have had to be alive!)

He is more likely the son of one of the daughters - the middle name of Grady might be an indication as to his father.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 17 Jun 2013 19:51

Aha!

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915

Name: Maria Cooney
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1892
Registration District: Oldham
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 1014

Records on Page:
Name
Maria Cooney <<<
Patrick Grady <<<
Mary Alice Rydings
Richard Siddall

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 17 Jun 2013 19:52

Thanks MarieCeleste

I did not check out when Mary died.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 17 Jun 2013 20:00

I'm now struggling to find a Patrick & Maria Grady in 1901 onwards.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 17 Jun 2013 20:01

Not found them either

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 17 Jun 2013 20:02

Lancs BMD confirms the pairing on the 1892 marriage is correct:

COONEY Maria GRADY Patrick Oldham Register Office or Registrar Attended Oldham RM/72/75

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 17 Jun 2013 20:04

No idea if relevant or not

Name: Michael Grady
Birth Date: 15 Sep 1890
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1976
Age at Death: 85
Registration District: Oldham
Inferred County: Greater Manchester
Volume: 39
Page: 0095

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 17 Jun 2013 20:08

1911 again no idea if correct or not

Name: Michael Grady
Age in 1911: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Oldham, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Henry St Oldham
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Carter
Registration District: Oldham
Registration District Number: 469
Sub-registration District: Oldham East
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 24446
Household Members: Name Age
Michael Grady 20
Milindia Grady 21 - born Oldham

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 17 Jun 2013 20:09

What about this entry

Marriages Jun 1910 (>99%)
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BURROWS Beatrice Oldham 8d 962
GARTH Melinda Oldham 8d 962
GRADY Michael Cooney Oldham 8d 962



Births Mar 1890 (>99%)
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Garth Melinda Oldham 8d 709

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 17 Jun 2013 20:13

Name: Melinda Grady
Birth Date: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1952
Age at Death: 62
Registration District: Oldham
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10f
Page: 61