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TokyoJeanette
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15 May 2013 09:16 |
I’m trying to trace the marriage of my Great Great Grandparents, captioned above. Ann is thought to have been born in Scotland around 1837 - 1842. Richard is thought to have been born about 1824, possibly in Wales (as per Census records).
Their fourth son, my Great Grandfather Richard Blower, was born to them on 30 August 1872. As of that date the family lived at 18 Lydia Ann St, Liverpool. Richard Snr. is noted on the BC as a Drayman *.
I have found Ann Blower (WIDOW) in the 1881 Census living at 23 Lydia Ann St with sons Thomas, James, Frank and Richard. Her age is given as 39 and her place of birth as SCOTLAND.
I have found a 1871 Census record which shows Richard and Ann Blower living at 99 Henry St, Liverpool with sons Thomas, James and Frank. Richard’s age is given as 50, with place of birth Wales, occupation warehouse keeper. Ann’s age is given as 34, with place of birth LONGTOWN, CUMBERLAND.
Richard Blower Snr. looks to have died in 1875. I can find no death records for Ann.
* Richard’s occupation was also given as Drayman on the baptism records of his first son Thomas (born 1867). On the MC of his son Richard he was noted as a carter (deceased).
Anything that might lead to the marriage and / or more info on the Spottiswood line would be much appreciated. I’m guessing Richard and Ann probably married around 1866, the year before the birth (in Liverpool) of their first son Thomas.
Many thanks.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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15 May 2013 09:30 |
I wonder if they didn't marry because she was already married?
Name: Ann Spottiswood Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1857 Registration district: Brampton Inferred County: Cumberland Volume Number: 10b Page Number: 579
Thomas Wannoh
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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15 May 2013 10:05 |
For ref.
1871 England Census about Richard Blower Name: Richard Blower Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ann Blower Gender: Male Where born: Flint, Wales Civil parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Liverpool Sub-registration district: St Thomas ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 171 Piece: 3777 Folio: 107 Page Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age Richard Blower 50 Ann Blower 34 Thos Blower 3 James Blower 2 Frank Blower 10 Months
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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15 May 2013 10:09 |
???????? England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Richard Blower Name: Richard Blower Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1875 Age at Death: 51 Registration district: Liverpool Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 96
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Dea
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15 May 2013 10:19 |
The 1857 marriage posted by Shirley above - I believe the name of groom would be WannoP not WannoH !!!
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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15 May 2013 10:24 |
1891 England Census about Ann Blower Name: Ann Blower Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Scotland Civil parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Liverpool Sub-registration district: St Thomas ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2911 Folio: 40 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Ann Blower 55 Widow*********** Richd Blower 17 Thos Hull 50
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15 May 2013 10:25 |
Ann Spottiswood, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 " Name: John Farrer Birth Date: Birthplace: Age: Spouse's Name: Ann Spottiswood Spouse's Birth Date: Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: Event Date: 12 Nov 1857 Event Place: Walton,Cumberland,England Father's Name: Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M05413-1 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 90671 Reference ID:
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greyghost
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15 May 2013 10:31 |
I wonder at this family - Ann probably born 1836/early 1837 so not on GRO index
1841 census transcription details for: Hill House, Walton, Walton, Low
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 170 Book/Folio: 14/2 Page: 8 Reg. District: Brampton Sub District: Walton Parish: Walton Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Hill House, Walton, Walton, Low County: Cumberland Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born SPOTSWOOD, James M 30 1811 Scotland SPOTSWOOD, Elizabeth F 25 1816 Cumberland SPOTSWOOD, Joseph M 11 1830 Cumberland SPOTSWOOD, Mary F 6 1835 Cumberland SPOTSWOOD, Ann F 4 1837 Cumberland SPOTSWOOD, Elizabeth F 2 1839 Cumberland
If census that you have say she was born Longtown, it is it's own Registration district, but would be next door to Brampton RD. Longtown itselfis about 2 miles from the Scottish border as the crow flies
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greyghost
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15 May 2013 10:33 |
The same family in 1851
1851 census transcription details for: 29, Hill Head, Walton
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 2427 Folio: 414 Page: 12 Reg. District: Brampton Sub District: Walton Parish: Walton Enum. District: 9, 10 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 29, Hill Head, Walton County: Cumberland Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born SPOTSWOOD, James Head Married M 46 1805 Farmer Of 33 Acres Scotland SPOTSWOOD, Elizabeth Wife Married F 42 1809 Farmers Wife Walton, Cumberland SPOTSWOOD, Joseph Son Unmarried M 21 1830 Farmers Son Walton, Cumberland SPOTSWOOD, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 16 1835 Farmers Daughter Walton, Cumberland SPOTSWOOD, Ann Daughter F 14 1837 Farmers Daughter Walton, Cumberland SPOTSWOOD, Elizabeth Daughter F 12 1839 Farmers DaughterWalton, Cumberland SPOTSWOOD, Margret Daughter F 8 1843 Walton, Cumberland SPOTSWOOD, George Son M 6 1845 Farmers Son Walton, Cumberland SPOTSWOOD, James Son M 4 1847 Farmers Son Walton, Cumberland SPOTSWOOD, Jane Daughter F 3 1848 Farmers Daur Walton, Cumberland SPOTSWOOD, John Son M 0 (1W) 1851 Farmers Son Walton, Cumberland
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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15 May 2013 10:51 |
I can't find Richard on previous census!!
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greyghost
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15 May 2013 10:55 |
A possibility for the Ann Spotswood who married Thomas Wannop, so a little too old to be yours?
1841 census transcription details for: Main Street, Arthuret, Longtown
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 167 Book/Folio: 2/19 Page: 32 Reg. District: Longtown Sub District: Longtown, Low Parish: Arthuret Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Main Street, Arthuret, Longtown County: Cumberland Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born BELL, Richard M 50 1791 Cumberland SPOTTSWOOD, Ann F 40 1801 Cumberland SPOTTSWOOD, Mary F 15 1826 Cumberland SPOTTSWOOD, Ann F 10 1831 Cumberland SPOTTSWOOD, Margret F 8 1833 Cumberland
1861 census transcription details for: Guards Hill, Walton Low
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG09 Piece: 3909 Folio: 89 Page: 10 Reg. District: Brampton Sub District: 3 Walton Parish: Walton Low Enum. District: 10 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Guards Hill, Walton Low County: Cumberland Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born WANNOP, Thomas Head Married M 32 1829 Agricultural Labourer Walton, Cumberland WANNOP, Ane Wife Married F 29 1832 Brampton, Cumberland WANNOP, Edward P Son M 2 1859 Walton, Cumberland WANNOP, ... Jane Daughter F 0 (1M) 1861 Walton, Cumberland
EDIT - the 1861 census original looks more like JANE than Ann and that is held out on the 1871 census where the couple are still together.
All 4 people concerned are on the same GRO reference
Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: WANNOP, Thomas Registration district: Brampton County: Cumberland Year of registration: 1857 Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume no: 10B Page no: 579 MarriageFinder: Thomas Wannop married one of the following people:
PROUD, Jane SPOTTISWOOD, Ann FARRER, John
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TokyoJeanette
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15 May 2013 10:55 |
Thanks to all for info and suggestions above. I will look into these.
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TokyoJeanette
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15 May 2013 10:58 |
Mel, which census do you mean? (For missing Richard).
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15 May 2013 11:03 |
Joseph Spottiswood Farrer in household of John Farrer, "England and Wales Census, 1881" Name: Joseph Spottiswood Farrer Age (Original): 20 Gender: Male Birth Year: 1861 Birthplace: Walton, Cumberland, England Relationship to Head of Household: Son Marital Status: Single Occupation: Gardener Domestic Servant Address: 0 Low Buildings Event Place: Walton, Cumberland, England Disability: Record Type: Household GS Film number: 1342242 Affiliate Publication Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 5150 / 83 Page Number: 8 Household Gender Age Birthplace Head John Farrer M 50 Greystoke, Cumberland, England Wife Ann Farrer F 44 Walton, Cumberland, England Son Joseph Spottiswood Farrer M 20 Walton, Cumberland, England Daughter Mary Jane Farrer F 15 Walton, Cumberland, England Son John Farrer M 13 Walton, Cumberland, England Daughter Hannah Farrer F 11 Walton, Cumberland, England Son William Farrer M 8 Walton, Cumberland, England Daughter Emma Isabella Farrer F 6 Walton, Cumberland, England Daughter Alice Sarah Farrer F 4 Walton, Cumberland, England
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greyghost
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15 May 2013 11:07 |
Ann Farrer however is still in Walton in 1871 1871 census transcription details for: Low Buildings, Low Walton
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG10 Piece: 5211 Folio: 88 Page: 12 Reg. District: Brampton Sub District: Walton Parish: Low Walton Enum. District: 10 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Low Buildings, Low Walton County: Cumberland Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born FARRER, John Head M 40 1831 Cumberland FARRAR, Ann Wife F 34 1837 Cumberland FARRAR, James Son M 12 1859 Cumberland FARRAR, Joseph S Son M 10 1861 Cumberland FARRAR, Margret A Daughter F 9 1862 Cumberland FARRAR, Elizabeth Daughter F 7 1864 Cumberland FARRAR, Mary Jane Daughter F 5 1866 Cumberland FARRAR, John Son M 3 1868 Cumberland FARRAR, Hannah Daughter F 1 1870 Cumberland
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greyghost
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15 May 2013 11:16 |
A copy of the EDIT from my 1055 post (re the Wannops)
EDIT - the 1861 census original looks more like JANE than Ann and that is held out on the 1871 census where the couple are still together with a son Edward Proud Wannop.
All 4 people concerned are on the same GRO reference
Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: WANNOP, Thomas Registration district: Brampton County: Cumberland Year of registration: 1857 Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume no: 10B Page no: 579 MarriageFinder: Thomas Wannop married one of the following people:
PROUD, Jane SPOTTISWOOD, Ann FARRER, John
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15 May 2013 11:22 |
Name: Thomas Wannop Birth Date: Birthplace: Age: Spouse's Name: Jane Proud Spouse's Birth Date: Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: Event Date: 24 Dec 1857 Event Place: Walton,Cumberland,England Father's Name: Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M05413-1 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 90671 Reference ID:
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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15 May 2013 11:25 |
I can only find Richard with Ann on one census the 1871.
Could this be him on the 1841 ???
1841 Wales Census about Richard Blower Name: Richard Blower Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Gender: Male Civil parish: Guilsfield Hundred: Pool Borough County/Island: Montgomeryshire Country: Wales Street Address: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Montgomery Sub-registration district: Pool Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1441 Book: 4 Folio: 13 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Name Richard Blower 20 Elizabeth Blower 20 Ann Duckett 14
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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15 May 2013 11:27 |
No not him as I have found them on other census.
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greyghost
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15 May 2013 12:30 |
?? Possible death for Ann Blower - puts this ones birth at c 1832/3, but details only as good as the informant knows
Civil Registration event: Death
Name: BLOWER, Ann Registration district: Liverpool County: Lancashire Year of registration: 1895 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at death: 62 Volume no: 8B Page no: 59
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