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in 1911 mother Eliza is employed at the nail works
in 1901 she is a nail cutter
I am fairly convinced that this is the family in 1881 with yet another census worker having misheard the name
Name: Thomas Moore
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Moore
Mother's Name: Eliza Moore
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Street Address: 5 Court 12 Macdonald St
Thomas Moore 28 ... bedstead caster ... born Staffordshire Bilston
Eliza Moore 26 ... nail cutter ... born Warwickshire Birmingham
Thomas Moore 5
Thomas Sr's birthplace is wrong ... but it is the place where he in fact grew up
you are lucky that a Hore Hoar Hoare expert turned up ! ... if only I could find my own so easily :-D
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You really are a star . :-D
I think you have cracked it with this one and surprise surprise in 1891 they are living in birmingham in new john street. (Thomas and Fanny)
Dont want to get too excited just yet but things are looking promising.
You see all the work you have done for your own hoares is paying off for me and i am really grateful. Lets hope with a few years of experience behind me i will be able to help others like you are helping me.
I hope you get to crack your hoares too.
Kind regards
Tracey
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ah but your misfortune now is that the Hoares you are looking for do come from Cornwall and soon they will be back before the censuses and BMDs ... just like mine :-)
I don't want to spoil your fun by doing those searches just because I am up late with nothing to do ... but I may puddle around with them a bit just to see whether I find any connections for my own interest ... because the Liskeard registration district is indeed where I -think- mine may have come from ... or at least where they may have been in the early 1800s, or come from and gone back to ... !!
( the North hill and St Stephens by Saltash possibility enthused me originally because I think that is where my ancestor who seems to have married my Hoar ancestor was from ... but I think the Hoar ancestor was from the Liskeard area )
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I'm just going to add these here because they're easily found in censuses
and your worse misfortune is that Thomas father of Thomas Sr doesn't appear with his own family in any census
1841
Name: Thomas Hoar
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Gender: Male
Where born: Cornwall, England
Civil parish: Liskeard
Registration district: Bodmin (did I mention Bodmin earlier ? )
John Bunt 70 farmer
Elizabth Stephens 50
Elizabth Dyer 14
Susan Bray 13
Mathew Wilton 16
Thomas Hoar 17 male servant
1851
Name: Thomas Hoar
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Visitor
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: N
Civil parish: Liskeard
Registration district: Liskeard
Thomas Pooley 45
Mary Pooley 50
John W Pooley 16
Mary Pooley 12
Thomas Pooley 9
William Pooley 7
Thomas Hoar 23 sawyer ... so this is the right Thomas Hoar
in 1841 there are 50 people named Hoar in Liskeard ... plus 2 named Hoare ... plus 1 Hore ... and that's not counting the surrounding area
but I think I would plump for this household
Thomas Hoar 40 ... sawyer
Mary Hoar 45
Harriet Hoar 10
Mary Hoar 9
Ann Hoar 6
Elizabeth Hoar 2
William May 30
Elizabeth May 11
there is no son Thomas in residence as we might have expected to see :-)
your next stop will be the Cornwall OPC website
http://www.cornwall-opc.org/
'search database' is down at the bottom and you can also consult the page for each parish
... I am not seeing anything, but maybe familysearch will have something
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Hello, I have just joined the site and have been looking for messages about Hore or Hoar or Hoare in Cornwall and found this one. I hope the people who posted here are still reading!
I have just posted a message in Genealogy Chat about the Hore Hoar family of the St Austell area and a DNA project about these surnames generally.
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/tips_board/thread/1333764
I have seen baptism records at the Cornwall OPC site and other references on line to the Hoar family of Liskeard but I don't know whether they are directly connected with the St Austell people. I think they must be, as I recall they show up in Liskeard and that area rather late.
I think this is the baptism record for the senior Thomas in question in this thread (I got a little confused reading it but I think this is where it ends up)
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=2350658
Thomas Hoar baptised in Liskeard in May 1824 son of Thomas a labourer and Mary. They baptised 4 more children there,
Caroline 1823
John 1826
Francis 1828
Harriet 1830
but I don't see a marriage for Thomas and Mary. Between 1792 and 1803 a John and Mary couple baptised numerous children in Liskeard and there were other couples baptising after that but 1792 is the earliest. In the 1841 census there are several Hoar households in Liskeard but I don't see that family. I was hoping I might see a connection with the St Austell families but I think it is too late and I am too tired to see it even if it were there. :-)
Anyway if you are reading this and you read my message about the DNA project and are interested, send me a message and I can give you some more details!
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The last posting on here was over 2 years ago...............
if you wish to make contact with people who posted in the distant past.........click on their names and send messages
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Hello Reggie, thank you. As you see from my message I was aware of the age of the post. :) If you look at my other message linked in the above you see that I will indeed be contacting people directly by message about these family lines and I see I should have been clearer in my own head here that I would be including the Hoar relations in this discussion when I do that. It was late, it had been a long day, I was just getting a head start :) because it will take me a while to do the searching of family trees (especially with the different spellings of the surname and the different branches of the family) and sending the messages. Because this family in particular was already discussed here in this forum I did want to add the additional information about the Liskeard based Hoar family "for the record" and about the DNA project for anyone else who, like me, saw it later.
Also I see I didn't get a notice of your reply in this thread by email as happens in many forums so now I have worked it out that this only happens if I check Add to my watched threads (and fortunately I had worked out the My threads function). I had thought that the people who had posted in this thread might get a notice of my reply, but I see now that this is probably not so. I will soon be up to speed I hope!
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