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Kerry
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13 Apr 2010 21:32 |
I am seeking any infromation on the Koss family of southend, my gt gt grandparents were Barnett and Yetta Koss who were previously known as Kosky and yettas maiden name was klineman, they are the parents of my gt grandfather.
anyone who has info please get in touch
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jax
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13 Apr 2010 21:41 |
barnett koss died apr-may-june 1946 southend-on-sea
Yetta Koss died apr-may-june 1943 southend-on-sea
did they marry in this country do you know?
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patchem
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13 Apr 2010 21:52 |
Barnett was 80 when he died, and Yetta 74, for background.
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13 Apr 2010 22:02 |
What was your gt grandfathers name
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14 Apr 2010 07:06 |
This was found by google search(so someone else interested or Kerry elsewhere?) * Seeking info. on Barnett KOSKY & Yetta KOSKY, formerly KLIMAN ... who were from Poland * We are looking for any information on Barnett KOSKY & Yetta KOSKY, formerly KLIMAN. They came to England from Poland, arriving in Liverpool and settling in the East End of London. We know the lived at 134 Brick Lane Whitechapel, Spitalfields in 1897 as that was where their son Joseph KOSKY was born (we got this info from his birth certificate). They later had a son called Jack in 1905 while they were living in the Mile End area. We have traced Barnett to a Carpenters business in Hoxton, Shoreditch around 1910 - 1912. We can find no trace of them on any census returns for 1901, and have found no record of Jack's birth. So between 1897 and 1910, we have little to go on about them. We also know that both boys were orphaned at some point when Joseph was aroud 9 years old and had a local connection to the Thanet area of Kent. Any help or information would be gratefully received.
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Vicci
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14 Apr 2010 08:30 |
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Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born Original census image KOSKY, Barnett Head Married M 43 1868 Cabinet Maker Austria Resident VIEW KOSKY, Yetta Wife Married 25 years F 41 1870 Austria Resident VIEW KOSKY, Kate Daughter Single F 18 1893 Pianoforte Teacher Spitalfields London VIEW KOSKY, Alec Son Single M 16 1895 Violinist Spitalfields London VIEW KOSKY, Joseph Son M 14 1897 Violinist Spitalfields London VIEW KOSKY, Minnie Daughter F 10 1901 School West Green Tottenham VIEW KOSKY, Sophia Daughter F 7 1904 School West Green Tottenham VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 1130 Reference: RG14PN1130 RG78PN37 RD11 SD4 ED25 SN311 Registration District: Hackney Sub District: South West Hackney EnumerationDistrict: 25 Parish: St John At Hackney Address: 100 Mortimer Road Kingsland County: London
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Kerry
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14 Apr 2010 08:30 |
Thanks for all your replies. The message found in a google search was mine, a few yrs ago mind you when we didnt know as much as we know now. I too had been given their deaths records and that they are indeed buried in a jewish cemetry in East Ham. My Gt grandfather was born Joseph Kosky in the spitafields/whitechapel area of london in 1897, his birth certificate states his parent s as Barnett Kosky and Yetta Kosky formerll known as Klineman. Joseph later went by his middle name of Sidney until he died in 1959. Now, from what know, as in the message found, we believe their was a brother called Jack who was born around 1905, and they moved between the mile end and Dalston areas of London, where Barnett had a cabinet makers business called Barnett Kosky & co, which started bankruptcy proceedings in 1912. They have been found on the 1911 census in the Kinsgland area of london with Joseph who was then 14 and a number of other children, Kate, Alec, Minnie and Sophie, who we never knew existed until then. And we had been lead to believe that Joseph was orphaned when he was around 9, but showed up on the census with them in 1911 when he was 14. After then we lost rack of them. Our most recent finding has been a number of postings in The Jewish Croncile archives, placing them in southend, we cannot read the whole articles as we dont have a subscription and it is very expensive to do so. But we can see that these articles refer to Barnett and Yetta as Koss, we know it is them as one of the articles is a 50th wedding anniversary post stating Yetta's maiden name as Klineman, we didnt know they had gone to southend or changed their name as my gt grandad Joseph Kosky very rarely spoke to my nan about them, it was as if they didnt exist. The article says they married 25 august 1886 in Zaviatch, Poland. We also on a random search found that their is a book in a university collection in USA bearing Barnetts writing inside saying 'B.Koss - Southend', we wondered how it had got over there, then last night i found a post on a website from a Derek koss looking for information of the Koss family who moved from Southend - Los Angeles in 1959 .... but the post is unfortunately 10 years old!!! Any help anyone can give is appreciated, after yr of not knowing, we may now be getting somewhere!! Many thanks, Kerry
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Vicci
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14 Apr 2010 08:37 |
Josph served in WWI
on discharge 1920 was living 20 Whiteside Road South End on Sea
Joseph Kosky Estimated birth year: abt 1897 Age at Enlistment: 19 Birth Parish: Spitalfields Birth County: Middlesex Document Year: 1916 Regimental Number: 132917 Number of Images: 4
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14 Apr 2010 08:48 |
Passenger list search results Search criteria used: Last name: Kosky Year of departure: 1958 to 1960 Results: 5 records found. Cost: You will be charged 5 credits to view a transcript and 30 credits for an image unless you have purchased a subscription for this set of records. Year of birth calculation? | Ancestor listed twice? | What are sea departure cards? redefine current search Last name Sort First name Year of birth Departure Destination country Destination port Transcript Image Sex year port KOSKY A R 1959 M 1960 London Australia Fremantle VIEW VIEW KOSKY Barnet 1909 M 1960 Southampton USA New York VIEW VIEW KOSKY George 1931 M 1958 Liverpool Canada Montreal VIEW VIEW KOSKY Rebecca 1914 F 1960 Southampton USA New York VIEW VIEW KOSKY Y M 1937 F 1960 London Australia Fremantle VIEW VIEW
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14 Apr 2010 08:49 |
Births Mar 1896 (>99%) Kosky Barnet Whitechapel 1c 325 Scan available - click to view Births Jun 1909 (>99%) KOSKY Barnet Bernard Mile End 1c 469 Scan available - click to view KOSKY Barnett Whitechapel 1c 267 Scan available - click to view
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14 Apr 2010 08:55 |
?? 1901 Mrs Kosky Age: 29 Estimated birth year: abt 1872 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: S Gender: Female Where born: Poland Civil parish: Spitalfields Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Whitechapel Sub-registration district: Spitalfields ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 139 Household Members: Name Age S Kosky 28 Cabinet maker Kosky 29 Hoffman Kosky 8 b Poland Fanny Kosky 6 Raina Kosky 4 Anne Kosky 9 months Goodman 20 >>>>Sarah Kleinman 19 36 Pelham Street
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Kerry
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14 Apr 2010 09:06 |
thanks for all your searching ... over the years we have found number of birth records for barnett kosky in the uk but our barnett was definetly born in poland/austria. I'm really thinking on the joseph ww1 record, as Rosa Woollard who Joseph married in 1930 came from Felixstowe/Harwich area of essex, but if it is our jospeh, again we didnt know he served! My brain is working over time at the moment!!!
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14 Apr 2010 09:08 |
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Name: Joey Koski Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1897 Relation: Son Father's Name: Barnard Mother's Name: Hester Gender: Male Where born: Whitechapel, London, England Civil parish: Tottenham Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Edmonton Sub-registration district: Tottenham ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 171 Household Members: Name Age Barnard Koski 33 b Germany cabinet maker Hester Koski 31 Morray Koski 13 b Germany Katie Koski 9 Alick Koski 5 Joey Koski 4 29 Brunswick Road
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Vicci
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14 Apr 2010 09:10 |
the births of the barnets I put up relate to the ones who emigrated to USa etc in 1958/59
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14 Apr 2010 09:11 |
the WW1 records definately says that his birth parish was Spitalfields
edit ---- and occupation musician
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Kerry
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14 Apr 2010 09:11 |
Victoria .... that is them!! A lot of spelling mistakes on names i can see but that is definetly them.. we had an idea there was another brother morris, should have said before sorry, but i can see that is them, Katie, alick and joey are indeed KAte, Alec and Joseph from the 1911 census.... THANKYOU
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Kerry
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14 Apr 2010 09:19 |
thankyou victoria, can i ask how you know they relate to those whom emigrated to usa 1958/59?
The address you have found joseph was discharged to is the address of Barnett and yetta Koss in 1930 on their 50th wedding anniversary.
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Vicci
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14 Apr 2010 09:22 |
it says that the DOB for Barnet Kosky who migrated to New York in 1960 was 1909 so I have just posted the birth reg for all the Barnet's in that time period
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Vicci
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14 Apr 2010 09:42 |
maybe Aliens and Immigration, Denization and Naturalisation, Community Relations, Community Programmes and Equal Opportunities Departments HO 405 Home Office: Aliens Department and successors: Aliens Personal Files, Applications for Naturalisation (ALP and IMP file series) Record Summary Scope and content KOSKY, B Date of birth: 05/12/1866 Covering dates 1906 Jan 01 - 1943 Dec 31 Availability Open Document, Open Description, Closed Until 2008 Further information about access conditions is available Former reference (Department) K 22844 Held by The National Archives, Kew
HO 405/29386
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Kerry
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14 Apr 2010 13:13 |
thanks for that victoria, i had found that file a couple yrs ago but it was closed, i did put in a n application to open it and i guess its now open ... thanks for reminding me about it
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