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Kerry

Kerry Report 13 Apr 2010 21:32

I am seeking any infromation on the Koss family of southend, my gt gt grandparents were Barnett and Yetta Koss who were previously known as Kosky and yettas maiden name was klineman, they are the parents of my gt grandfather.

anyone who has info please get in touch

jax

jax Report 13 Apr 2010 21:41

barnett koss
died apr-may-june 1946
southend-on-sea

Yetta Koss
died apr-may-june 1943
southend-on-sea

did they marry in this country do you know?

patchem

patchem Report 13 Apr 2010 21:52

Barnett was 80 when he died, and Yetta 74, for background.

jax

jax Report 13 Apr 2010 22:02

What was your gt grandfathers name

patchem

patchem Report 14 Apr 2010 07:06

This was found by google search(so someone else interested or Kerry elsewhere?)
* Seeking info. on Barnett KOSKY & Yetta KOSKY, formerly KLIMAN ... who were from Poland
* We are looking for any information on Barnett KOSKY & Yetta KOSKY, formerly KLIMAN. They came to England from Poland, arriving in Liverpool and settling in the East End of London. We know the lived at 134 Brick Lane Whitechapel, Spitalfields in 1897 as that was where their son Joseph KOSKY was born (we got this info from his birth certificate). They later had a son called Jack in 1905 while they were living in the Mile End area. We have traced Barnett to a Carpenters business in Hoxton, Shoreditch around 1910 - 1912. We can find no trace of them on any census returns for 1901, and have found no record of Jack's birth. So between 1897 and 1910, we have little to go on about them. We also know that both boys were orphaned at some point when Joseph was aroud 9 years old and had a local connection to the Thanet area of Kent. Any help or information would be gratefully received.

Vicci

Vicci Report 14 Apr 2010 08:30

1911

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

KOSKY, Barnett Head Married M 43 1868 Cabinet Maker Austria Resident VIEW
KOSKY, Yetta Wife Married
25 years F 41 1870 Austria Resident VIEW
KOSKY, Kate Daughter Single F 18 1893 Pianoforte Teacher Spitalfields London VIEW
KOSKY, Alec Son Single M 16 1895 Violinist Spitalfields London VIEW
KOSKY, Joseph Son M 14 1897 Violinist Spitalfields London VIEW
KOSKY, Minnie Daughter F 10 1901 School West Green Tottenham VIEW
KOSKY, Sophia Daughter F 7 1904 School West Green Tottenham VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1130 Reference:
RG14PN1130 RG78PN37 RD11 SD4 ED25 SN311

Registration District:
Hackney Sub District:
South West Hackney EnumerationDistrict:
25 Parish:
St John At Hackney

Address:
100 Mortimer Road Kingsland County:
London

Kerry

Kerry Report 14 Apr 2010 08:30

Thanks for all your replies.
The message found in a google search was mine, a few yrs ago mind you when we didnt know as much as we know now.
I too had been given their deaths records and that they are indeed buried in a jewish cemetry in East Ham. My Gt grandfather was born Joseph Kosky in the spitafields/whitechapel area of london in 1897, his birth certificate states his parent s as Barnett Kosky and Yetta Kosky formerll known as Klineman. Joseph later went by his middle name of Sidney until he died in 1959.
Now, from what know, as in the message found, we believe their was a brother called Jack who was born around 1905, and they moved between the mile end and Dalston areas of London, where Barnett had a cabinet makers business called Barnett Kosky & co, which started bankruptcy proceedings in 1912.
They have been found on the 1911 census in the Kinsgland area of london with Joseph who was then 14 and a number of other children, Kate, Alec, Minnie and Sophie, who we never knew existed until then. And we had been lead to believe that Joseph was orphaned when he was around 9, but showed up on the census with them in 1911 when he was 14. After then we lost rack of them. Our most recent finding has been a number of postings in The Jewish Croncile archives, placing them in southend, we cannot read the whole articles as we dont have a subscription and it is very expensive to do so. But we can see that these articles refer to Barnett and Yetta as Koss, we know it is them as one of the articles is a 50th wedding anniversary post stating Yetta's maiden name as Klineman, we didnt know they had gone to southend or changed their name as my gt grandad Joseph Kosky very rarely spoke to my nan about them, it was as if they didnt exist. The article says they married 25 august 1886 in Zaviatch, Poland. We also on a random search found that their is a book in a university collection in USA bearing Barnetts writing inside saying 'B.Koss - Southend', we wondered how it had got over there, then last night i found a post on a website from a Derek koss looking for information of the Koss family who moved from Southend - Los Angeles in 1959 .... but the post is unfortunately 10 years old!!!
Any help anyone can give is appreciated, after yr of not knowing, we may now be getting somewhere!! Many thanks, Kerry

Vicci

Vicci Report 14 Apr 2010 08:37

Josph served in WWI

on discharge 1920 was living 20 Whiteside Road South End on Sea

Joseph Kosky
Estimated birth year: abt 1897
Age at Enlistment: 19
Birth Parish: Spitalfields
Birth County: Middlesex
Document Year: 1916
Regimental Number: 132917
Number of Images: 4

Vicci

Vicci Report 14 Apr 2010 08:48


Passenger list search results
Search criteria used:
Last name: Kosky
Year of departure: 1958 to 1960
Results:
5 records found.
Cost:
You will be charged 5 credits to view a transcript and 30 credits for an image unless you have purchased a subscription for this set of records.
Year of birth calculation? | Ancestor listed twice? | What are sea departure cards?
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Last
name Sort First
name Year of
birth Departure Destination
country Destination
port Transcript Image
Sex year port
KOSKY A R 1959 M 1960 London Australia Fremantle VIEW VIEW
KOSKY Barnet 1909 M 1960 Southampton USA New York VIEW VIEW
KOSKY George 1931 M 1958 Liverpool Canada Montreal VIEW VIEW
KOSKY Rebecca 1914 F 1960 Southampton USA New York VIEW VIEW
KOSKY Y M 1937 F 1960 London Australia Fremantle VIEW VIEW

Vicci

Vicci Report 14 Apr 2010 08:49

Births Mar 1896 (>99%)
Kosky Barnet Whitechapel 1c 325 Scan available - click to view
Births Jun 1909 (>99%)
KOSKY Barnet Bernard Mile End 1c 469 Scan available - click to view
KOSKY Barnett Whitechapel 1c 267 Scan available - click to view

Vicci

Vicci Report 14 Apr 2010 08:55

??
1901
Mrs Kosky
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: S
Gender: Female
Where born: Poland

Civil parish: Spitalfields
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Spitalfields
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 139
Household Members:
Name Age
S Kosky 28 Cabinet maker
Kosky 29
Hoffman Kosky 8 b Poland
Fanny Kosky 6
Raina Kosky 4
Anne Kosky 9 months
Goodman 20
>>>>Sarah Kleinman 19

36 Pelham Street

Kerry

Kerry Report 14 Apr 2010 09:06

thanks for all your searching ... over the years we have found number of birth records for barnett kosky in the uk but our barnett was definetly born in poland/austria.
I'm really thinking on the joseph ww1 record, as Rosa Woollard who Joseph married in 1930 came from Felixstowe/Harwich area of essex, but if it is our jospeh, again we didnt know he served!
My brain is working over time at the moment!!!

Vicci

Vicci Report 14 Apr 2010 09:08

1901

Name: Joey Koski
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1897
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Barnard
Mother's Name: Hester
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitechapel, London, England

Civil parish: Tottenham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 171
Household Members:
Name Age
Barnard Koski 33 b Germany cabinet maker
Hester Koski 31
Morray Koski 13 b Germany
Katie Koski 9
Alick Koski 5
Joey Koski 4

29 Brunswick Road

Vicci

Vicci Report 14 Apr 2010 09:10

the births of the barnets I put up relate to the ones who emigrated to USa etc in 1958/59

Vicci

Vicci Report 14 Apr 2010 09:11

the WW1 records definately says that his birth parish was Spitalfields

edit ---- and occupation musician

Kerry

Kerry Report 14 Apr 2010 09:11

Victoria .... that is them!! A lot of spelling mistakes on names i can see but that is definetly them.. we had an idea there was another brother morris, should have said before sorry, but i can see that is them, Katie, alick and joey are indeed KAte, Alec and Joseph from the 1911 census.... THANKYOU

Kerry

Kerry Report 14 Apr 2010 09:19

thankyou victoria, can i ask how you know they relate to those whom emigrated to usa 1958/59?

The address you have found joseph was discharged to is the address of Barnett and yetta Koss in 1930 on their 50th wedding anniversary.

Vicci

Vicci Report 14 Apr 2010 09:22

it says that the DOB for Barnet Kosky who migrated to New York in 1960 was 1909 so I have just posted the birth reg for all the Barnet's in that time period

Vicci

Vicci Report 14 Apr 2010 09:42

maybe
Aliens and Immigration, Denization and Naturalisation, Community Relations, Community Programmes and Equal Opportunities Departments
HO 405 Home Office: Aliens Department and successors: Aliens Personal Files, Applications for Naturalisation (ALP and IMP file series)

Record Summary
Scope and content
KOSKY, B Date of birth: 05/12/1866
Covering dates 1906 Jan 01 - 1943 Dec 31
Availability Open Document, Open Description, Closed Until 2008
Further information about access conditions is available
Former reference (Department) K 22844
Held by
The National Archives, Kew

HO 405/29386

Kerry

Kerry Report 14 Apr 2010 13:13

thanks for that victoria, i had found that file a couple yrs ago but it was closed, i did put in a n application to open it and i guess its now open ... thanks for reminding me about it