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Thanks everyone
it is my dads aunty.
it would be nice if she was still alive :-)

i will keep looking

I think probably not, Jink, unless she and her husband had separated/divorced and she had reverted to her maiden name .

Maybe??

There is a Lily Chamberlain listed in a retirement housing complex in the UK, Electoral Registers, 2003-2010

Address is in London

I won't post on this page.

Same person is listed on 192.com
ER 2020-22

Have you tried contacting the daughter, who is (at least I assume it's her - same first name, middle initial, and surname) on the 2024 ER at the address in Dunbartonshire where she has lived since at least 2016 .

Does the person who thought Lilian might have moved to Scotland know the address?

She may still be alive, unless you know differently, Debbie.

She hasn't died in Scotland. up to earlier this year, and not in England or Wales up to 2022.

I don't see any sign of her having remarried in England, Wales, or Scotland.

If she died in Scotland, the record will be on Scotland’s People website

She was young enough to have re-married……….

To save anyone else looking, the husband died in Kent

The woman’s name was recorded as LiLian at both birth and marriage……….NOT a double ‘L’

for all the above, you have found him :) I knew a lot about him already so you have just verified what I knew - Thank you
strangely enough I was born in Sheerness.

If you have time i have another problem.
the next generation down I have one date i cannot find.

Born Lillian Joan Chamberlain 03/11/1927
Married Alex Bell 05/10/1946
I have the Husbands Death but cannot locate Lillian's.
I have been told she may have moved to Scotland to be with her Daughter.
She was 57 when he died but have had no luck finding her

No. .it’s only on FMP and has to be paid for

I gave you 1921 for these people on page one

Is there a site where I can access the 1921 census for free?

If you wished to know exactly where Frederick's ship (Forward) was on the Census date in 1911 you would be able to find it's location from the ship's log

It is not online and you would have to make an application to the National Archives to retrieve the entry on the date of the Census (April 2, 1911)

"FORWARD
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Reference: ADM 53/21046
Description: FORWARD
Date: 1910 Sept. 27 - 1911 June 6

EDIT- ***Trumped by AG's 1911 entry above***

He is the only Frederick Chamberlain born in Wales 1878+/- 1:

CHAMBERLAIN, FREDERICK mmn STRONG
GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 365

Pontypridd Reg District includes Ferndale.


Parents' marriage:

Marriages Mar 1876 (>99%)
Chamberlain Frederick Pontypridd 11a 416
STRONG Agnes Pontypridd 11a 416


In 1881 and 1891 Frederick and his parents were in Kensington.
I expect you've seen that already.


Frederick in 1911, when he's not with Sophia and Freda:

Frederick Chamberlain
in the 1911 England Census
Name Frederick Chamberlain
Age in 1911 32
Estimated Birth Year abt 1879
Gender Male
Birth Place Ferndale Glam, Wales
Civil parish Sheerness
County/Island Kent
Country England
Street Address Royal Naval Barracks, Sub Depot, H M Dockyard, Sheerness
Marital Status Married
Occupation Petty Officer seaman Of signals
Registration District Number 62
Sub-registration district Minster
ED, institution, or vessel 15-16
Piece 4465

???????

1939 Register
Cott Cross View, Redditch, Redditch U.D., Worcestershire, England

Thomas (Edward) Johnson 21 Sep 1885 Male General Labourer Navvy Heavy Worker Married 100 1
Mary Johnson 31 Sep 1893 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 100 2
Leslie J E Johnson 15 Jan 1915 Unknown Assembler (Mine Lamps) - 100 3
Mary A Parsons 30 Mar 1921 Female Press Hand Springs Single 100 4

Parsons is 'added' Original surname is scored through, but looks like Chamberlain

Marriages Mar 1941 (>99%)
Chamberlain Mary A Parsens Bromsgrove 6c 649
Parsons George G Chamberlain Bromsgrove 6c 649

Deaths 1993 (>99%)
PARSONS MARY AGNES 30MR1921 BROMSGROVE 5121A 217

Thank you so much
I am going to print this off and look into further :-)

1939 Register
36 Birchfield Road, Redditch, Redditch U.D., Worcestershire, England

Alfred E G Hall 25 Feb 1907 Male Spring Maker Married 220 1
Freda A S Hall 17 Oct 1910 Female Spring Inspector Married 220 2
Malcolm L Hall 26 Sep 1931 Male At School Single 220 3
Ernest D Hall 20 Jul 1936 Male Under School Age Single 220 4


1939 Register
The Orchard, Dagtail, Redditch, Redditch U.D., Worcestershire, England
Henry G Day 29 Jan 1910 Male Sheet Metal Worker Married 204 1
Sophia F L Day 28 Aug 1912 Female Warehouse Worker (Springs) Married 204 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
Geoffrey Comelio 06 Feb 1930 Male At School Single 204 4
The record for this person is officially closed.

Mary's remarriage:

Marriages Sep 1922 (>99%)
CHAMBERLAIN Mary Johnson Kensington 1a 454
JOHNSON Edward T Chamberlain Kensington 1a 454

Marriages Dec 1919 (>99%)
Chamberlain Frederick Down Brentford 3a 595
Down Mary Chamberlain Brentford 3a 595


Mary was a younger sister of Sophia.
They don't appear on censuses together, but their parents were George and Eliza Down.
Mary is on the 1901 census, and Sophia is on the 1891.

Marriages Dec 1919 (>99%)
Chamberlain Frederick Down Brentford 3a 595
Down Mary Chamberlain Brentford 3a 595

Presumably, he married his late wife's sister

1921 Census Of England & Wales
46, Bramley Road, Kensington, London & Middlesex, England

Frederick Chamberlain Head Male 1878 42 Glamorganshire, Wales Invalided Chief Yeoman Of Signals Royal Navy -
Mary Chamberlain Wife Female 1892 28 London, London, England Home Duties -
Freda A S Chamberlain Daughter Female 1910 10 London, London, England - -
Sophia F L Chamberlain Daughter Female 1912 8 London, London, England - -
Mary Agnes Chamberlain Daughter Female 1921 0 London, London, England

CHAMBERLAIN, MARY AGNES (MMN) DOWN
GRO Reference: 1921 J Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 203


CHAMBERLAIN, SOPHIA FLORENCE LILIAN DOWN
GRO Reference: 1912 D Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 304

CHAMBERLAIN, FREDA AGNES SOPHIA DOWN
GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 170

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Name Chamberlain, Frederick
Official Number: 178802
Place of Birth: Ferndale, Glamorgan
Date of Birth: 05 September 1878

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UK, WWI, Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923

Full Name Chamberlain, Fredk
Alias [Blank]
Discharge Date 19 Feb 1919
Service Number Ch/178802
Address-Add 30 Cherington Road Hanwell Middlesex
Died 30/11/1921
Cause Asthma and Bronchitis
Widow Mary Johnson 30 Cherington Road
** ReMarried (illegible 4? letter word) 10/12/28

Widows card shows another address of 46 Bramley Road, North Kensington