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Hi I am trying to find out about John Johnson, I believe he was born in 1874 and served in WW2. He was Married to Alice May Lammas and had i think 8 children.

Born in 1874, he would have been WW1, not WW2.

His marriage, for our reference:

John Johnson
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938
Name John Johnson
Gender Male
Marriage Age 22
Record Type Marriage
Birth Date abt 1875
Marriage Date 30 May 1897
Marriage Place Saint Mark, Victoria Park: Cadogan Terrace, Tower Hamlets, England
Father Robert Johnson <<<<<<<<<
Spouse Alice May Lammas
Register Type Parish Register


John was a Railway Number Taker, and his father was a carman.

You can look for births of children on the GRO site, which is free to use,

John Johnson
in the 1901 England Census
Name John Johnson
Age 27
Estimated Birth Year abt 1874
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Spouse Alice M Johnson
Birth Place Stepney, London, England
Civil parish Mile End Old Town
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Ecclesiastical parish St Paul Bow Common
County/Island London
Country England
Registration district Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district Mile End, Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel 34
Neighbors
Piece 338
Folio 73
Page number 31
Household schedule number 197
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Johnson 27 Head - Checker for London & North West Railway
Alice M Johnson 27 Wife
Alice M Johnson 3 Daughter

Possibly at 54, Rowsell Street, Mile End in 1901

Can’t C&P - using iPad

John Johnson
in the 1911 England Census
Name John Johnson
Age in 1911 37
Estimated Birth Year abt 1874
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Birth Place Stepney
Civil parish Poplar
County/Island London
Country England
Street Address 26 Reeves Rd, Bromley By Bow E
Marital Status Married
Occupation Railway Checker
Registration District Number 22
Sub-registration district Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel 04
Piece 1681
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Johnson 37 Head
Alice May Johnson 37 Wife
Alice May Johnson 13 Daughter
Violet Eva Johnson 9 Daughter
Ivy Gladdis Johnson 8 Daughter
End Della Johnson 5 Daughter
John Henry S Johnson 2 Son
Benjeman David Johnson 0 Son
Ann Lamas 69 Boarder

6 children with the couple in 1911…..in Poplar

1 further child has died

I don't see any obvious WW1 record for him - but huge numbers of WW1 records were destroyed.

In 1921 living in East Ham

2 of the daughters are invalids

EDIT:

THIS IS THE WRONG FAMILY BELOW.
THEIR SON JOHN WAS STILL WITH THEM IN 1901, AND UNMARRIED:

With parents and siblings in 1891:

John Johnston
in the 1891 England Census
Name John Johnston
Gender Male
Age 15
Relationship Son
Birth Year 1876
Father
Robert Johnston
Mother
Louisa Johnston
Birth Place Stepney, London, England
Civil parish St George in the East
Residence Place St Matthew, St George in the East, London, England
Registration district St George In The East
Sub registration district St George North
ED, Institution or Vessel 2
Neighbors
Piece 284
Folio 60
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Robert Johnston Head - CARMAN
Louisa Johnston 42 Wife
Louisa M Johnston 30 Daughter
John Johnston 15 Son
Charles Johnston 16 Son
James Johnston 10 Son
Joseph Johnston 11 Son
Margaret Johnston 9 Daughter
Thomas Johnston 2 Son

Wow you are really awesome, I've been looking and think he was in WW2 he would have been about 40ish.

Looking at Argyll Grans reply I had Henry Stanley and from what you have found his first name was John, I have him having died on 1/11/1913. The rest are all the same as I have, but I also have a Reginald who I think was born in 1915 and he died in 1919. aged approximately 4 yrs.
I did not have Ann Lamas I am assuming she is Alice Mays mother. I have Alice Mays father as William Joseph Lamas.

John Johnson I don't have much information about him other than he was awarded the Defence medal and his father was Robert Johnson, he may have had siblings Hettie, Sussie, Charles and Harry. That is it.
If you wonderful people can help with any information I would really appreciate it.

ErikaH
I did not know that two of the girls were invalids, surprising information.

Thank you to you all for being so kind and helpful

Toni

Have you found any record of his being awarded the Defence Medal ?
Or is it just a family belief?

The Defence Medal was only introduced during WW2, but he can't possibly have been a soldier in WW2 - he would have been approx 65.

ADDED

Ah, but I see that members of the Home Guard could be awarded the Defence Medal, so maybe he did have it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_Medal_(United_Kingdom)

Re: ArgyllGran 26 Jul 2024 22:56 entry referencing Mile End


First name(s) John
Attestation corps 5th Battn The Rifle Brigade Regiment
Last name Johnson
Document type Attestation
Birth year 1875
Archive reference WO 96
Birth parish Mile End
Series Wo 96 - Militia Service Records 1806-1915
Birth town London
Box 1259
Service number 3053
Box record number 93
Regiment Rifle Brigade (Prince Consort's Own)
Archive The National Archives
Year 1893
Country Great Britain
Attestation date 03 Mar 1893
Record set British Army Service Records
Attestation age years 18
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Attestation age months 3
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Attestation service number 3053
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

Gave Address as 34 Redmond Road, Mile End

Struck off in 1896- Absent

How to apply for Home Guard records:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/request-home-guard-service-records

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London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1912-1918 for John Johnson
Hackney
Church Street School
Admission and Discharge Register For Infants

Violet Johnson DOB 4/10/01
Address 26 Durrington Road
Last school attended Newbridge,Tiptree,

Comments invited.....

Name John Johnson
Age 52
Record Type Burial
Birth Date abt 1874
Death Date abt 1926
Burial Date 29 Oct 1926
Burial Place Barnet, London, London, England
Cemetery Hendon Cemetery and Crematorium
Grave Number 30528
Interment Number 30549

OP stated "I've been looking and think he was in WW2 he would have been about 40ish"

Is it possible John Henry S Johnson is the WW2 soldier, as opposed to his father??

IF

Above burial record relates to correct John referenced by OP

Now on PC

1921 Census Of England & Wales
27, Salisbury Road, Manor Park, East Ham, Essex & London, England
John Johnson Head Male 1873 47 Stepney, London, England Manager Ward Paper Merchant F Bragg & Nether & Co, Wall Paper Merchants
Alice May Johnson Wife Female 1873 47 Whitechapel, London, England Home Duties -
Violet Eva Johnson Daughter Female 1901 19 Limehouse, London, England Machinist F Merman, Dressmakers
Ivy Gladice Johnson Daughter Female 1903 18 Limehouse, London, England Not Employed (Invalid) -
Ena Dellax Johnson Daughter Female 1906 15 Bow, London, England Not Employed (Invalid) -
Benjamin David Johnson Son Male 1910 11 Bow, London, England -

from the GRO site...............
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

JOHNSON, ALICE MAY LAMMAS
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 496
JOHNSON, VIOLET EVA LAMMAS
GRO Reference: 1901 S Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 01C Page 404
JOHNSON, JOHN HENRY BENJAMIN LAMMAS
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 488
JOHNSON, ENA DELLIA LAMMAS
GRO Reference: 1906 M Quarter in POPLAR Volume 01C Page 605
JOHNSON, IVY GLADYS LAMMAS
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 01C Page 415
JOHNSON, BENJAMIN DAVID LAMMAS
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in POPLAR Volume 01C Page 495
JOHNSON, JOHN HENRY STANLEY LAMMAS
GRO Reference: 1908 D Quarter in POPLAR Volume 01C Page 504
JOHNSON, REGINALD LAMMAS
GRO Reference: 1914 D Quarter in POPLAR Volume 01C Page 863


The one who had died by 1911

JOHNSON, JOHN HENRY BENJAMIN 0
GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 245

Looking at the 1926 burial register entry on Ancestry (posted by Jink20 at 10:11) -

that John Johnson died in Hanwell Mental Hospital, Southall.

No other info given.

Ancestry's algorithm suggests he's the right man - but that can't necessarily be trusted.

JOHNSON, JOHN HENRY STANLEY 4
GRO Reference: 1913 D Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 300


??
JOHNSON, REGINALD 0
GRO Reference: 1915 J Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 01C Page 407