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Does it not speak volumes that the sort of scenes in parliament yesterday did not take place when the country was taken to war in Iraq?

100% AGAINST

It just seems ironic that every time Labour is in the shite the issue of banning fox hunting comes up to get the sympathy vote from the public. Well I'm afraid it will take more than this to get my trust back into Labour - they are just a bunch of Merchant Bankers, could not organise a p***up in a brewery let alone the welfare of the people - sorry getting carried away. Oh and now sit back and see the countryside gradually get over populated with foxes, because shooting them between the eyes will be ruled out sooner or later. Lin

Ginny, Did you not "hear" that the scenes in the chamber happened allegedly because of "insider" help? And The Issue of Iraq WAS demonstrated against by loads of members of the public.....the decision to got to war was already made,and was rushed through...........Bob

I read one post that said Mere animals, we are part of the animal species !!!

For: There are so many things that need sorting, which affect humans, that focus on this issue is an abuse of Parliamentary time: it's driven by class warfare (any suggestion to ban coarse fishing would be rejected as stopping the working man's pleasures): it's being brought up now as a diversion from political troubles; it's yet another assault on a tradition/way of life; the almost empty chamber in the Commons for the "debate" followed by hundreds of MPs voting showed that all that mattered was the image not the substance; already overstretched police resources will be diverted from real crime; and I'm fed up of being told by what I can and can't do under the threat of prosecution.

Brian, Quite-the decision appears to have already been made, with or without a sham debate........

I used to be pro-hunt, but when I saw for myself what happens, especially at a kill, it completely put me off. One interesting quote from someone I used to work with: "I hate cats - they hunt birds"; she was in the RSPB. Fair enough. But she also went hunting ...... I would be completely with the hunting fraternity if they resorted to Drag Hunting; as they themselves say, the issue is about loss of jobs, and hounds being put to sleep. If there was Drag Hunting, where would the jobs be lost? And, of course, the hounds would be spared. But no. A hunting acquaintance of mine said "but it's not the same as chasing an animal; you don't have the same thrill". Sorry, but there seems to be a lot of contradiction in their justifications to keep it going. No disrespect.

i dont agree with it, it's horried to think that some poor animal is killed for plesure where's the plesure in that, i fail to see it if it was a person the law would endevre to find the killer. if it was a dog/cat/other domesitic animal who ever killed it would be caught. so why should it be any different just because it's a wild animal

AGAINST it is barbaric and cruel and should have been banned years ago.The prohunters are just YOBS.

Lets get one thing straight, the bill is not to ban fox hunting, it is hunting with dogs. I have two professional hunting dogs in the shape of two Jack Russells i.e. Mork and Mindy. We are called out too places where rats are a problem. It takes one fifth of a second for the dog to kill and it is confirmed. When I'm not aloud to do it anymore they will lay poison. This will take at least a day for the rat to die. And when your cat or dog happen to eat the poison it will become very ill if not die. Anyone who lays poison for mice are killing owls and sometimes their own cat. The car kills 100 times more foxes than the hounds and sometimes it takes days for the fox to die from its injuries. The domestic cat kills 9 million birds a year, they dont kill instantly they play with their victim for hours. When all the fox hunting and the fishing is completely banned and all the country side is built on and the rivers are polluted, then perhaps you 'so called' nature lovers will be satisfied.

Nature Lovers or Animal Lovers?

Nature lovers uderstand, animals lovers pretend

Robert, you have hit the nail right on the head......if there is ONE animal that I would like to see the back of.......is the so called Domestic cat.......Now, how can we get them outlawed....?

At this moment in time the saying "an eye for an eye" springs to mind and I would willingly join a fox hunt and hope a fox got caught. Due to a family crisis we were home after dark and the devastation that met us was awful. I have had two broody hens taken and eggs left to go cold. Feathers were everywhere and one hen and all her 7 chics were lying dead in a bloody (the red stuff) mess. Can you imagine what effect this has had on children to see their pets killed for no apparent reason. All I can say is I hope that when foxes become more urbanised they don't take pet rabbits and cats, which they could do. Jx

Julia, I do sympathise with you, but I have to say that I've had several pets - yes, several! - killed by hunting dogs, (another was still alive and left for dead) and yes, these scenes have been witnessed by children. At the time I was angry, yes, I wanted those damn dogs killed, but that's not the answer. The pro-hunt response? "They're only doing what comes naturally". So that justified it then. The distress of the children seemed immaterial to them. These same people can't stand cats because they kill birds (OK, I hate that too) and hunt "for enjoyment". So what are hunt followers doing that's different? By their own admission, people I know hunt for that very reason - enjoyment. Anyway, the sun's shining outside (for a change!) so I'm off to hang the washing out. 'Bye! P.S. There was an earlier reply mentioning "mere animals" and that people seemed to put them before child welfare. Please, whoever put that (can't remember who it was!), have more faith in human nature. Hubby and I are adoptive parents so are very well aware of child cruelty (er, not by us!!). Also, our children are chuffed that they have themselves adopted rescue animals. Gawd help us, I have gone on, haven't I!! Shut up Glenys.

David Can you define the act of humanly please.

Julia I also sympathise with you - my parents once lost there brood to a fox. But the fox will only kill if he can get in and we knew it was ultimately our own fault for not making the chicken shed secure enough.

Drag hunting is a non-starter as far as I can see as you need land where this can be held. The farmers only allow the hunt across his/her land in order to keep the foxes away; if there is no fox then said farmer is not going to let the hunt chew up his/her land chasing after aniseed; there is no benefit to the farmer. Hence, hounds will not be kept on for drag hunting and most likely will have to be put down. I have relatives who hunt but I'm neither strongly for or against it, what worries me more is this government intrusion into people's lives, if they think they can get away with banning this then other countryside pursuits become viable targets.