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Thanks for this one Sandra, good one :) I too would love to go back in time and visit!,how interesting! Gt Grandfathers eldest daughter was confirmed on Boxing Day, 1913, I'd love to meet all the family there, and to see how they all fitted in that little house.. It would also be interesting to see what life was like in India, where they lived in 1890-1909, wonder what those Christmases were like there?..

Dickensian christmas isn't just about plum pudding and turkey and jolliness. Remember in Christmas Carol that till Scrooge had his turnaround, he though Christmas was Humbug and deeply resented Bob Cratchet having any time off at all. nell

I think that most of us have warm homes, and a roof over our heads. Have you ever read this poem? Joy ................................................................................ In the Workhouse Christmas Day by George R. Sims It is Christmas Day in the Workhouse, And the cold bare walls are bright With garlands of green and holly, And the place is a pleasant sight: For with clear-washed hands and faces In a long and hungry line The paupers sit at the tables, For this is the hour they dine. And the guardians and their ladies, Although the wind is east, Have come in their furs and wrappers, To watch their charges feast: To smile and be condescending, Put puddings on pauper plates, To be hosts at the workhouse banquet They’ve paid for – with the rates. Oh, the paupers are meek and lowly With their 'Thank'ee kindly, mum's'; So long as they fill their stomachs What matters it whence it comes? But one of the old men mutters, And pushes his plate aside: 'Great God!' he cries; 'but it chokes me! For this is the day she died.' The guardians gazed in horror The master's face went white; 'Did a pauper refuse his pudding?' 'Could their ears believe aright?' Then the ladies clutched their husbands, Thinking the man might die Struck by a bolt, or something, By the outraged One on high. But the pauper sat for a moment, Then rose 'mid a silence grim, For the others has ceased to chatter, And trembled every limb. He looked at the guardian's ladies, Then. eyeing their lords, he said, 'I eat not the food of villains Whose hands are foul and red: 'Whose victims cry for vengeance From their dank, unhallowed graves.' 'He's drunk!' said the workhouse master. 'Or else he's mad, and raves.' 'Not drunk or mad,' cried the pauper, 'But only a hunted beast, Who, torn by the hounds and mangled, Declines the vulture's feast. I care not a curse for the guardians, And I won't be dragged away. Just let me have the fit out, It's only Christmas Day That the black past comes to goad me, And prey my burning brain; I'll tell you the rest in a whisper, - I swear I won't shout again. 'Keep your hands off me, curse you! Hear me right out to the end. You come here to see how the paupers The season of Christmas spend. You come here to watch us feeding, As they watch the captured beast. Hear why a penniless pauper Spits on your paltry feast. 'Do you think I will take your bounty, And let you smile and think You're doing a noble action With the parish's meat and drink? Where is my wife, you traitors - The poor old wife you slew? Yes, by the God above us My Nance was killed by you! 'Last winter my wife lay dying, Starved in a filthy den; I had never been to the parish, - I came to the parish then. I swallowed my pride in coming, For, ere the ruin came, I held up my head as a trader, And I bore a spotless name. 'I came to the parish, craving Bread for a starving wife, Bread for a woman who'd loved me Through fifty years of my life; And what do you think they told me, Mocking my awful grief? That "the House" was open to us, But they wouldn't give "out relief". I slunk to the filthy alley - 'Twas a cold, raw Christmas eve - And the bakers' shops were open Tempting a man to thieve; But I clenched my fists together Holding my head awry, So I came home empty-handed, And mournfully told her why. Then I told her "the House" was open; She had heard of the ways of that, For her bloodless cheeks went crimson, And up in her rags she sat, Crying, "Bide the Christmas here, John, We've never had one apart; I think I can bear the hunger, - The other would break my heart." 'All through that ever I watched her, Holding her hand in mine, Praying the Lord, and weeping Till my lips were salt as brine. I asked her once if she hungered And as she answered "No," The moon shone in at the wondow Set in a wreath of snow 'Then the room was bathed in glory, And I saw in my darling's eyes The far-away look of wonder That comes when the spirit flies; And her lips were parched and parted, And her reason came and went, For she raved of her home in Devon, Where her happiest days were spent. 'And the accents, long forgotten, Came back to the tongue once more, For she talked like the country lassie I woo'd by the Devon shore. Then she rose to her feet and trembled, And fell on the rags and moaned, And, "Give me a crust - I'm famished - For the love of God!" she groaned. I rushed from the room like a madman, And flew to the workhouse gate, Crying "Food for a dying woman!" And came the answer, "Too late." They drove me away with curses; Then I fought with a dog in the street, And tore from the mongrel's clutches A crust he was trying to eat. 'Back, through the filthy by-lanes! Back, through the trampled slush! Up to the crazy garret, Wrapped in an awful hush. My heart sank down at the threshold, And I paused with a sudden thrill, For there in the silv'ry moonlight My Nancy lay, cold and still. 'Up to the blackened ceiling The sunken eyes were cast - I knew on those lips all bloodless My name had been the last; She'd called for her absent husband - O God! had I but known! - Had called in vain and in anguish Had died in that den - alone. 'Yes, there in a land of plenty Lay a loving woman dead, Cruelly starved and murdered For a loaf of parish bread. At yonder gate, last Christmas I craved for a human life. You, who would feast us paupers, What of my murdered wife! 'There, get ye gone to your dinners; Don't mind me in the least; Think of your happy paupers Eating your Christmas feast; And when you recount their blessings In your smug parochial way, Say what you did for me, too, Only last Christmas Day.'

I was at the FHS meet in Wakefield today - they put on some entertainment - about christmas through the ages - for the rich and for the poor. It was heartbreaking hearing the tales of the people in the Asylum - their herring were ordered on Christmas eve - but they never arrived until the March of the following year!!! And the powers that be in the Asylum SOLD them to members of the public.

Joy thankyou for adding the poem, i had never seen it before,and it is very touching. i have enjoyed reading all the replies so thankyou for sharing your thoughts sandra

because my ancesters worked at the manor house in the area they would all be working on christmas day...they had their celebrations traditionally on boxing day

You're welcome. I think that I first saw the poem in the Buckinghamshire Genealogy Society's magazine. Joy

Hampshire Record Office have posted an interesting 'Archive of the month' on their site, about items for Christmas long ago.

I think in more recent times, my grandparents used to belong to a Christmas club, when they put in so much money a month (I think), and that's how they were able to afford turkey, ham etc. :-) Joy