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To use Mandy R-D’s response to Macron’s actions, Names

‘Well, he would, wouldn’t he!’ :-D :-D :-D

I have just googled the question and it seems quite a lot of countries have or are introducing mandates for certain types of employment.

We are introducing the mandate here for care staff from October.

JL

Absolument. :-D

Kense, I don’t get the gist of that statistician at all and I wonder whether it is first dose only because, strangely, it reports that Gibraltar fully vaccinated percentage is 116.3% which, of course, is impossible. :-S

Joy, Gib may be a special place as I can think of 2 reasons for a figure over 100% of the population.

1 - are Spaniards who work or maybe live close to Gib. crossing the border to get their vaccinations.

2 - fluid flow of service personnel

Joylouise I'm not disagreeing with your figures sadly it's hard to find any chart that will agree with another due to different reporting methods or just out and out corruption in some countries. I'm saying Canada has an okay uptake but could do better in many provinces/cities hence the mandatory vaccines in many areas. We have a lot of people who flatly refuse to be vaccinated as I'm sure many countries do, they might also find themselves unemployed soon with or without severance pay. The next problem here for them is with no employment many will have no health coverage past basic care.
I find it hard to understand why Health care workers refuse to be vaccinated even frontline workers.....though they can provide a medical note if there's medical reasons.

Still can't be more than 100% of the population, Pat.

I wonder whether they've included the percentages with first and second shots - to come up with 116.3% but what kind of statistician worth his salt would do that because they would have a grasp of what 100% meant.

If they mean 100% but another 16.3% have had first shot but departed, surely the stats would show 100% of the population and not those who have left the shores.

Including service personnel it would still be 100% if all were vaccinated.

If they included Spaniards who'd hopped across the border it would be incorrect to include them in Gibraltar's population numbers.

I wonder whether they've grouped first and second shots together and added the percentages to come up with 116.3% - which would be an odd way for a statistician to collate figures.

I agree with you Caroline. I, too, find it hard to understand why health care workers refuse to be vaccinated unless medical reasons prevent them from 'getting done'.

I haven't really kept an eye on vaccinations in other countries because all the stats can be found online. Sadly, like Macron, there will be plenty of governments who can make statistics fit with what they want in order to keep their electorate happy. Is it next year he's up for re-election? I must check! ;-)

Yes it can 100% plus the others, when they add up the number of injections it comes to that figure. If they've vaccinated that many people it has to be annotated, it may come out as a ridiculous figure but it's the number against the known registered population. It's the way the programme is set up that's all. The extra ones don't have a section to go into.

The full percentage of a nation's population would always be 100 at any given moment.

The percentages ought to show per head of population and not the number of vaccinations given - which is where I think the Gibraltar 116.3% might have gone wrong. I believe resident service personnel would have been included in the population but I'd be amazed if someone compiling population percentages would have included workers crossing the border. Vaccinations to them would have, as you said, had to be annotated and would have thus shown in numbers of vaccinations given but not in the percentage of population.

If the person who compiled Gibraltar's percentage did not make the error of including people from other nations crossing the border to be vaccinated (and I can barely believe that someone would include them in the population percentage even though they would have shown in numbers vaccinated) then perhaps he added first and second vaccination numbers together which then could have been 116.3%. If other nations did that the figures would be slewed somewhat and would not be a true indicator of the fully vaccinated.

It's happening here, free vaccinations for everyone. There are walk in centres for those not registered because it's more important to have them vaccinated than chase them up, plus refugees have been vaccinated.

Many going to the walk in centres will be illegal workers.

I'm not sure whether we still have walk-in centres, Pat, but we have had them.

I remember Gndtr going into a walk-in about six weeks ago and the queue was so long and she had just finished work that she decided to go home and phone in for an appointment instead. She got her jab a few days later.

Apparently, we are told that they are going to start giving booster shots here soon - as with the initial vaccinations, oldest and most ill first.

These are special walk in centres for non-registered people.

We had to get appts. to go to large centres. This was under the local NHS, as registered residents we are entitled to use it as the locals do.

We were given ours by our doc, Pat, but I know our Dtr booked an appointment online at one of those huge centres - about 10/15 minutes' drive away. Same with her second jab too.

That centre was near her OH's workplace but he waited until he was phoned (a couple of days after Dtr booked hers) and went to a smaller centre about ten minutes' walk away.

If they're keeping abreast of the news, they will know that vaccinations have begun of our 16+ year-olds and 14+ expected here soon. This will mean that our younger Gndson will get his shortly after he gets back. (Older grandson has already had his.)

We allowed walk in as well and people that normally wouldn't qualify for free medical help to ensure as many as possible get the jab. They're now driving converted buses around to catch people at their apartment buildings or workplaces etc.

At times there are walk in centres, there have been busses turning up where there are unregistered people and here buses tour some of the villages.

I can’t understand why care workers won’t have the jab. They have seen such awful things but learnt nothing.

I know a young man who went straight off to one of the mass drop ins as soon as it was announced he could. He did it because he wanted to be as safe as possible whilst at Uni. Sensible boy.

In numerical terms, yes, names.

The percentage of population may or may not reflect the numbers given, names, but the stats were on percentages of the populations who had received their jabs.

Hence the reason for my thinking 116.3% of the population vaccinated ought to have been 100% of the population and 16.3% others, as you say, probably itinerant workers.

Unless, of course, someone made the error of lumping together, say, 80% fully jabbed and 36.3% first jabbed.

Have I just answered on the wrong thread, names?

However, I agree with you names, I can't understand why care workers won't have the jab unless they have medical conditions which would react too badly.

And I also agree that they must have seen some horrific things over the last eighteen months or so.

The last I heard from my niece who did her first year uni via online, was that she was still going to stick to online. I have heard that some will have no choice though.

She will have no choice next year because she has to spend a year in Europe as part of her course.

No, you’re ok. It is just that I quickly had second thoughts and deleted it - but you were quicker than me.

I think I said something along the lines of the Spanish workers and the undocumented being jabbed but not listed as residents and that there was only the one way to show any data.