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hi all

im hope someone can enlighten me on the birth certificates i have looked up on the page they all seem to have numbers but i have found one that has letters does anyone know why

thanks

What site was that?

Could you tell us the name and year please, so that we can take a look?

References for certificates give you the quarter, the registration district and the page and volume number. All of which you need to order a copy. There might be an error with yours. Check it out on the free site www.freebmd.org.uk

Early birth certs are numbered slightly differently

Do you want it double checked?

Have you tried the GRO site, Dawn? It’s free to join.

hi all so i was looking up a constance morris born 1939 kensington on this site and it had 2 entries one has numbers one letters

What letters do you mean? If you mean the J59, the explanation is given on the FreeBMD info below.


From FreeBMD: (there are three entries for this birth - two in 1939, and one in 1959

Births Sep 1939
Morris Constance M. Morris Kensington 5C see J59

"This entry appears to be a late entry referring to the following
Births 1959 Jun: MORRIS,Constance M,MORRIS,Kensington,5c,1654"


Births Dec 1939
Morris Constance M Morris Kensington 1a 146


Births Jun 1959
MORRIS Constance M. MORRIS Kensington 5c 1654

"The above transcription represents what is in the GRO index but it is referred to by the following entry
Births 1939 Sep: Morris,Constance M,Morris,Kensington,5C,see J59
which implies that this is a late entry, that is an entry that has been registered in a quarter later than the event."




From GR:

Constance M Morris
England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Year1939
Birth Year1939
Event Quarter3
DistrictKensington
5c see J59

Constance M Morris
England & Wales Births 1837-2006
CountyLondon
Year1939
Birth Year1939
Event Quarter4
DistrictKensington
1a 146


Constance M Morris
England & Wales Births 1837-2006
London
Year1959
Birth Year1959
Event Quarter2
District Kensington
5c 1654

Not sure quite what you mean but, personally, I always note the quarters of the year events were registered as, for example, Q1 (Jan, Feb, March) rather than either QJ or QM so there is no muddle as I have seen one site use the first month of the quarter and another site use the last month of the quarter which, I think leads to confusion.

Is that what you mean by numbers and letters?

so on volume its 5c
on page its SEE J59

Yes, see the explanation on FreeBMD which I've posted above.

Also information on late entries:
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/late-entry-help.html

The "see" just means that you should see the other entry in June 1959 (J59) - it's not part of the reference number.


FreeBMD is much more useful for looking up BMDs.
Hardly any of the helpers on the GR boards use GR for searching for records.

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/search

thank you so much for your help i was hoping it ment adopted

Maggie - re your post which you've now deleted - in case you happen to look back at this thread. [ EDIT: I see you've re-posted the details in different wording below ]:

in your dad's case, his birth under your gran's maiden surname is in the typed list in 1926.
Then at the bottom of the page there's a hand-written note referring to a later entry in June 1942 (J42) under her married name.

In June 1942 his birth is in the typed list twice. There's one entry under your gran's maiden surname, and another under her married surname..

Dawn, she may have been adopted.

Looking up my dad's Birth on Free BMD, it says similar.
My dad was born Gordon J---- in 1926.(gran wasn't married)
His mum married in 1942, and dad was re-registered as Gordon D----.
On his second registration on Free BMD, it sys 5C see J/42 - which takes me back to his first registration.

There's every chance her mum or dad married someone with the same surname, so her birth certificates should give the fathers name (or not on the first registration, if her mum wasn't married.)

An illegitimate child whose parents later married each other legitimised the child so a new certificate would be issued in the married surname


Quote

the Legitimacy Act 1926
The fundamental principle of the Legitimacy Act 1926 is exposed in article 1(2): "Nothing in this Act shall operate to legitimate a person whose father or mother was married to a third person when the illegitimate person was born." The Act allowed children to be legitimised by the subsequent marriage of their parents, ...

Shirley they were legitimised by the act of getting a new certificate. If you didn’t get one then you were still classed as illegitimate.

ArgyllGran, I deleted the post, as I'd left my dad's surname in - as you found out, not too common a name, and easy to find!
Then my laptop startd playing up! However, I did post an alternative :-D

Years ago, I went up to the GRO, and found the original registration.
The J/42 referred to journals held there. When I went to find dad, the page had been ripped out!

On FreeBMD, Constances registration is very similar to my dad's. The only real way to sort it out is to get a cetificate.

From FreeBMD re late entry annotation-

"Normally an event (Birth, Marriage or Death) will be registered soon after the event occurs and will be included in the index for the same quarter or the one following it.

However, if an event is registered later then it will be included in the register some time after the event occurred. In this case the quarter in which the event should have appeared is often annotated with a (hand written) entry (the late entry reference) that points to the quarter in which the event has been registered (the late entry). This is done by putting into the Page column text like

See D/39

which means that the event was registered in the December quarter of either 1839 or 1939 depending on the year of the entry"

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/late-entry-help.html

Namelessone

Think that’s what I said ! :-D

More or less. :-D. I was trying to emphasise that it wasn’t automatic

thanks guy i am researching an aunt that was adopted not 100% sure where or when but constance was my great nans name and m could have been for maty my nans name. we believe so was born out of wedlock but i dont think i am going to get the answers as i have so little details not sure where to go from here