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Don't know who you're referring to, RTR, but if it's me I said my Doutch side probably came from Holland (Doutch - Dutch) not Germany. but hey, why bother reading the words when you can make them up!
Last name: Doutch
"This unusual and interesting name is of early medieval English origin, and is an "ethnic" surname given in the first instance to immigrant weavers from the Netherlands during the 14th and 15th Centuries"

However, as I haven't got any Western European DNA - Western Europe (Austria, France, Germany, the Netherlands, and Switzerland), I class it as the nearest - and probably mixed DNA of Northern European.
You may also notice that both Germany AND the Netherlands are in Western Europe.

Then there's this point - Nederlanders or the Dutch are a Germanic ethnic group and nation native to the Netherlands. They share a common ancestry, culture and speak the Dutch language so Netherlands CAN = Germany.

There's also a chance he came from Flanders - where Dutch was spoken, and 'Doutch' refers to his language.

Anyhow, back to basics - the Vikings raided both Belgium and the Netherlands, so the chances of Samuel Doutch having Viking blood is quite high.
You know, like the Normans had Northern European (Viking) DNA, even though they invaded from France (Western Europe).

Maggie said her Doutch family were from Holland :-S

Doutch = Netherlands, no Germany.

:-D :-D :-D :-D

I have just had an email from Ancestry explaining the changes.

It is all down to the Algorithm and we all know how well those work ;-)

Omg. I have just looked at my living dna on line again. Well, they have completely reorganised the precedence of the counties Making my ‘rogue’ east anglia the most relevant!
Now I am completely lost. Unless all three of my brick walls are in East Anglia :-S

With the new matches on there I am matched with my first cousin x1 removed then it drops to distant cousins at about 29 and 25 cms. Not much help as I have no idea where any of them fit.

Time for a complete rethink.

I find the breaking down of DNA to specific countries, let alone counties, confusing.

How do they determine the DNA so precisely?

My Samuel Doutch died in Southampton in 1886. Absolutely no Hampshire in him.
He was born in 1825 in Somerset.
Will he have Somerset DNA? Possibly, but it would be fairly recent.
The name 'Doutch' was an "ethnic" surname given in the first instance to immigrant weavers from the Netherlands during the 14th and 15th Centuries, so an immigrant family - bearing North European DNA.

His parents married in Somerset.
Samuel's mother, Mary's surname was Hallett.
According to 'Ancestrey': Hallett - English (mainly Somerset and Devon): from the Norman personal name Hallet or Aylett, pet forms of Aylard (see Allard).
So, Norman origin - Northern European.

I am a descendant of Samuel and a widow, maiden name Elborough.
Apparently, according to Family History sites, Elborough is a deviation of Aldeburgh in Suffolk, however there is a village called Elborough just outside Weston-Super-Mare.
If 'Elborough' is a derivation of 'Aldeburgh' - then it's North European - Suffolk was a Viking settlement.
If it's after the village, which came first, the surname, or the village?

I ask this question because, on my Cornish side, some families' surnames are the name of the place they lived/owned.
I have de Hornicotes on the Cornish side. When Robert de Hornicote 'acquired' Tintagel, he changed his name to 'de Tyntagel'. His son kept the surname 'de Tyntagel' until he sold the place to the Earl of Conwall, then he reverted back to 'de Hornicote'.
I have Respryn's who lived in Respryn, but both families were probably Norman.

There are a few 'truly' Cornish names in my tree - Carminowe - but the name has now disappeared, Trewynnard, Trenoweth, Jory, Polkinghorne and Truran, but these are all mixed with Norman DNA.
Then I have my 7 x grandmother (Surname Jory) marrying a 'Messer' - who was born in Cornwall.
Origin of 'Messer'? The Jewish name is from German Messer 'knife' or Yiddish meser.

My mum's mother's side came from Suffolk for generations - G granny only moved South because she had a child out of wedlock.
Having said that, my GG grandfather's name was Baggott - I can trace them back generations in Suffolk - but 'Baggott' is considered a name predominately from the Midlands - however, it is a Norman name!.

Mum's dad's side, appear to be Hampshire/Isle of Wight - but I've been stumped by the name Scraggleford, and variations thereof - 'Scragelford', Scraggle', Scragle etc.

They seem to appear in Romsey/North Baddesley in the mid/ late 17th Century, with my 7 x grandfather, William Scraggle, whose son William Scragelford was born in 1693, - so not likely to be an 'ancient English or Hampshire family'!
The Scragglefords stayed in the Romsey/North Baddesley area, apart from one, who went to Twyford, Berkshire, where he ran a pub. The name has now died out.

That's why I think DNA by county (for me) is too convoluted! :-D

...sorry, didn't realise that was so long :-S

I've just dug out my original Living dna map which actually shows I'm about 12.6% Spanish and Scandinavian.. (6.7 & 5.9)

MH says I am 38.4% English, 18.3% North & West Europe, 14.4 Scandi, and only 3.2% Irish Scots/Welsh The last two being a huge surprise. Then I'm 22.5 % Iberian.
Now one of my 6th gr grandfathers came from a Cornish family (traced back to early 1500's) - so that possibly gives me a trace of iberian but why so much. Have they made my 25% ish Channel Islands Iberian.

All these differing results just add to confusion. I like the Living DNA results as they break it down almost to counties. Apart from a 'rogue' result from East Anglia I can follow the results down to the Cornish ancestors and after that they must just be faint traces.

Did they end up in Cornwall?

Mine are called Deacon, and came from Acquigny, near Louviers, south of Rouen, so D'Acquigny.

Yes, he was, grannyfanny.
The name was slowly anglicised to Dinham.
I've actually managed to trace a few others to villages along a road in Brittany, by their names.

...then there's my Cornish Landeryou's.
There's a place in Brittany called Landerneau.
I'm still rummaging around about that one!

Your Oliver de Dinan was presumable from Dinan, which is just inland from St Malo, so maybe just into Brittany from Normandy. Nice wee place.

That was interesting, nameslessone, and agree with the person who says most DNA is "typical figures for English people with no recent immigrant ancestry"

I had my DNA tested at 'My Heritage', and am quite happy with knowing I'm 40 something % Celtic, 40 something % Northern European, and 9.3% Iberian!
I've traced my dad's line through his mum (Cornish - ie Celtic) back to a death in 1088, and know there's some Norman there, I mean, I wonder where Oliver de Dinan, who came over with William the Conquerer originated!
The Normans were Northern European.
My mum's line, though living in Hampshire for years, is mainly Suffolk - Vikings, therefore Northern European, though I have found a Doutch in Gloucester - but Doutch's were originally from Holland in the 16th century - Northern European again.
The Iberian bit - well, Cornwall, knights, crusades, sailors etc - and we don't know for sure who my dad's dad was!

I've just come across this 'conversation' on another forum :
https://www.whowhenwheregenealogy.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=184

This forum has taken the place of the old WDYTYA one.

There are a couple of links mentioned which are also worth a look.

I like the fact they they have now split Irish & Scottish rather than lumping them both altogether.

Although in saying that if you add my Irish & Scottish together it now comes to more than when lumped together and my English has reduced.

So now I have 28% Irish, 24% Scottish (before Irish & Scottish was 44%), 28% English & North Western Europe.
Also Norway has increased to 5%. France has increased to 13%. Germanic Europe has reduced to 2%.

I too had a LivingDNA test done and that now says 41.5% Irish but only 1.4% Southwest Scotland and Northern Island, the rest is broken down to England with no mention of France, Norway or Germany!

I suppose really, the larger the database you have to measure the DNA against the more able you are to refine the results.
Certainly I prefer Ancestry because it is showing my French connection which I was expecting. :-)

Makes you wonder ---- doesn't it just!

Jemima - fancy being told you may not be Welsh after all your hard work!

If, for instance, I click on Ireland all I get is history no match suggestions. I just get 'featured' names if I click on Southern England.

If I go to my DNA matches and click on Map then I get a few matches who have recorded where they live.

Both OH and I know of some Irish ancestry but we both suddenly have a lot of added Scots whilst our Irish figures have stayed about the same. I actually did a chart showing the various results. My Norway, France & Jewishness has more or less stayed the same but my Englishness is all over the place.

I previously downloaded results to My Heritage and acquired Iberia and did a new one with Living DNA who say I am 100% English, Irish & Welsh (???). No Scots, no Northern Ireland and no Europe!!

Confusing!

Names

My first DNA ethinicity showed a strong German and Scandinavian connection which reflected my dads paternal side.
His father was German

His mum always said she had welsh connections but never found that

The family were predominantly south east London for many generations

Then ancestry did a dna revision and the German side was lost and English more predominant which could be mums side

Now the German side is back again with the latest predictions


Makes you wonder how they are calculating ?

Hi nameslessone :-)

If you mean matches to people sharing DNA with me then I get them from all over the world. The reason I know I have matches from certain areas, like Kent for instance, is that I have identified the people from my Family Tree. Sometimes they add where they are from too.

The problem I had was a glitch cos now it's working.


If you look at the photo of my DNA ethnicity estimate that I have uploaded to my Keepsafe (link) you will understand the problem I had.

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/133294757

When I was clicking on the sections where it said they matched my DNA to it was coming up "no connection". But now it's actually giving me a lot of information when I click on the same thing including the ancestors on my tree from those areas.

Hi Jemima

Are you saying that you are given matches in those areas? I get some featured matches in my main region but not in any of the others.

It seems to have sorted itself out now.... must have been a glitch :-0