General Chat

The Arrest of Howard Marks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmSarhudhiY

ID before a cime is committed.
From "Minority Report"

I should think it is rare that someone is born a narcissist. Rather I feel it is learned behaviour and much of the blame, in my opinion, can be lain at the door of the parents.

A child who throws tantrums to get his way often succeeds if the parents want no hassle so give in to avoid conflict.

Parents who over-indulge a child whom they think can do no wrong are every bit at fault as those parents whose apathy, neglect and selfishness push a child into selfish, egotistical, controlling and often violent behaviour in order to survive, nay, be top dog, among siblings and peers

I think Trump had an indulgent mother from what I've read and it was his father who sent him off to college - a little too late to counteract the indulgence.

Did Philpott fall into the second category - apathetic, neglectful "absent" parents? I have no idea of his upbringing.

Having written that it is not beyond the realms of possibility for a child in the atmosphere of a boarding school to begin to develop the behaviour of a narcissist in order to survive. The alertness of teachers and the input of parents during term holidays could counteract the behaviour - but they have to be effective.

It is disconcerting isn't it Liz?

Johnson was 18 when the report was written - it makes you wonder why, bearing in mind he'd been at Eton for 5 years, and spent most of his life there - the school didn't address his entitled posture.
But then, perhaps, part of the ethos of Eton is to ensure it's pupils are 'free of the network of obligation which binds everyone else' - it's just that Johnson went above and beyond their remit!

It's worrying that Boris was described so in 1982 by his Head of Year at school. He has had 38 years to hone his "skills"

Watch this space, comes to mind!

Lizxx

Rollo, you will, of course, understand the concept of 'accessory after the fact' for which the complicit Germans were executed.

How, exactly, do you conclude that I implied they are immune from the law because people cannot believe their behaviour? They have committed no crime.

Let me explain again. It is not illegal to be a narcissist or, indeed, a psychopath. They did have their use in times gone by.They would be ideally suited to lead an army into battle as they have no empathy. They are suited to certain of the more high-powered positions now.

What is illegal is to break the law because of the personality disorder, as without it. It is not illegal to be a pedophile, what you think is your own business. However, oce those thoughts become deeds, they are illegal, and quite rightly so.

You may recall that pedophillia was not addressed until very recently because it was hard to imagine it was really happening.

To be honest, the execution of Nazi's isn't an everyday thing, is it?

They're not 'immune because people cannot believe their behaviour', there not 'immune' from the law, they haven't actually committed a crime they could be arrested for - yet.
As Sharron said - "it is not possible to be locked up just for having a personality disorder."
Otherwise, there'd likely be more people in institutions than outside! :-S

After the Nuremburg trials some people with the typical traits of narcissm were executed for mass murder even though they had not themselves killed anybody or even given a direct order to do so. Just the execution (sic) of policy.

Both Trump and Johnson have racked up a hgh score.

So they are immune because people cannot believe their behaviour ?
There are those in the close family of both Trump and Johnson who have said that they believe the two to be head cases.

Mick Phillpott's narcissism was very evident but it is not possible to be locked up just for having a personality disorder.

Their behaviour is sometimes so bizarre that others are unable to believe it has really happened which is why, to some extent, it is so difficult for their child victims especially, to access any form of support or help.

Because there are varying levels.

Both have been accused, though not diagnosed, as being narcissists.
The problem is, being narcissists, they can see nothing wrong with their behaviour - they are, in their eyes - perfect!
Also, although both have broken rules - it being their 'right', they believe, due to their position, neither have actually broken any laws they can be charged with - yet.

This is an extract from a letter to Johnson's father from his head of year at Eton:
Writing of him in a school report in April 1982, he said:
“Boris really has adopted a disgracefully cavalier attitude to his classical studies . . . Boris sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility (and surprised at the same time that he was not appointed Captain of the School for next half): I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation which binds everyone else.”

So why is B Johnson not confined to Broadmoor and D Trump to Cook County Jail Ill. ?
Why no charges (yet) ?

That's true, Sharron.
Physical harm is much easier to see, and understand than mental harm.

It is more easily passed off as misread than is pedophilia.

True, but it's getting a lot more publicity due to Trump, and, to a lesser degree, Johnson.

https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/narcissism

But totally unaddressed.

They have, but narcissim is very well recognised now.

A great many children have suffered a great deal of abuse in the ensuing fifty-two years.

The disorder was first described in 1925, and not given a name until 1968, so I suppose it's not been recognised for long.

He is Joy, but he is a prime example of a narcissist and he is a fine illustration of the mindless selfish damage they can inflict on innocent children and indeed the adults who unwittingly fall under their control.

Had narcissism not been such a well kept secret, six children may not have perished.

He is a nasty piece of work. The least attention he gets, the better.

And some have been caught!