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Naive question maybe but would my brothers give me more information to add to mine and get more connections.

I did DNA via Ancestry. It gave me an (estimated) genetic make-up, which has since been slightly adjusted. However, as far as i know all my siblings are full sibs. therefore any family links I have been given e.g. 2nd-3rd cousins or 4th-6th cousins, would be the same for all of us.

However many people who have done their DNA on Ancestry do not have a tree or do not have an "open" tree.
Most of the others that do have a tree I have been unable to find a shared surname. Perhaps because some trees are limited or mistakes have been made.

don't know if this helps.

By the way, my brother reckons that a mistake has been made on my estimated DNA make-up. We both expected to find out where our "dark" gene came from, but according to Ancestry I am Irish, Scottish, Welsh and English,. only. Which came as a bit of a surprise.

Tess ................

don't forget that the Spanish Armada sailed all the way round the British Isles in attempt to escape. Ships were shipwrecked in Scotland, Wales, part os England, and I think Ireland.

Any survivors for those shipwrecks are known to have married (or not) local girls, and it could be ................. I say only could be ........ that you haven't yet got far enough to get to one of those intermarriages.

Your brothers DNA will differ from yours,,,,,the only two people who carry the same near match DNA are identical twins,so any other siblings DNA could throw up another result that may complicate or be useful,but its worth trying rather than wondering.

Its thought that one gets equal share of DNA from each parent but they don't.,same as blood type its not a half share from each..

Tess,
Following on from Sylvia, look up the Barbary Slave trade!

My sister and I have both had our DNA tested, we are Northern European, Celtic and have a smattering of Iberian - my sister has just over 3%, I have just over 9% - and am darker than her.
The Celtic side is Cornish - I've traced my dad's side to before 13th century - but this side also had Northern European - the Normans were 'North' men.
Mum's side were from East Anglia - well, as far back as the 17th Century, and one grandad was Hampshire - however, his mother (my great gran) was from an old New Forest family - and they were originally Romany - so that could be the Iberian!

If you are female your brother will have the Y-chromosome which gives you your father's line. Females do not have Y-chromosomes.

Even if you were both male, as DNA is random, you can have different relative connections.

A first cousin is helpful as they will help identify your maternal or paternal side.

Tess if your dark ancestor is only on your father's Y-chromosome you will not have it. You need a male from your family to show it if that is the case.

Don't forget centuries ago the Romans and their mercenaries were in UK.

When my brother got tested with ancestry I thought it would prove, one way or another, whether some of my matches were true matches.

Then I discovered there was a huge difference in the cms against a 1st cousin once removed. So I am having to rethink some of my matches.

Thanks for that everyone. One of the surnames on the "Englais" part of my tree is also a place name in Spain. (But I have traced my lot in Herefordshire back to 1600's. Another surname is "Gypsey" but is also non-gypsey (can't remember the Romany name for that). My Welsh lot had connections to Cardiff - but also to Bristol. both areas with rather mixed populations.
There is of course the Spanish/Irish link. My Irish (first) cousins think that is why my sister and I are dark!
However, I have been told by a lovely man from India that I must be part Indian, and a man who used to do Tai Chi at the same group as me reminds me of my dad, both in looks and movement, (so much so that I wondered if we might be related) he was from India too.

Hope to see my bro tomorrow, wil see if he is willing to do a DNA test so that we can get more valid info.

By the way have had a lot of "cousin" connections on the Irish, Welsk and Scottish part of my family. But only one on the English side (that I have been able to establish) We are descended from two sisters (with the "Spanish place" surname).

I have been able to establish a link that was iffy, on the Irish side of the family. My grandfathers sister went to America and changed her first name to that of her sister. I didn't even know that they had gone to the states (around 1882) but thought that she may have married a Mr Murphy, so not easy to find. lol.

I don't understand my results, I have no English DNA, according to My Heritage, but 98.9% Western European, of which some 14% is Scottish/Irish/Welsh.

I can name 30 of my 32 ggg grandparents, which is 5 generations, and many of them were born in South Westmorland/North Lancashire. The others were mainly born in Northumberland/Durham, with a couple from London. And I have traced some of these lines further back too, all English born that I have found, and no non-English names.

They do say that after 5 generations the accuracy of the results falls away.

And my other 1.1%? Nigerian...........

Gadjo is the name for Non Romany Gypsy Tessa. I have Romany in my family tree

Read all the posts and really interesting results.

So what someone has said about the Ychromosomes,

If I got my 1st cousin to take a DNA test would his result turn out different to mine.

I had mine done on Ancestry last year. I am still struggling to understand all the ins and outs of DNA.


Someone who's children (but not her) share my DNA explained it to me this way...

"The best analogy I've heard on how we inherit DNA from our parents, is the pack of cards description.

We all have 100% DNA and inherit 50% from both our mum & dad.
If there were 100 cards and we were asked to pick 50 out, the 50 we pick will be different from the 50 our brothers & sisters choose.
Our children cannot inherit DNA we don't have though"


I think this means that although siblings will share a lot of our DNA they will also have different DNA. Luck of the genetic pool draw.

But I may be wrong! :-D

"We all have 100% DNA and inherit 50% from both our mum & dad.
If there were 100 cards and we were asked to pick 50 out, the 50 we pick will be different from the 50 our brothers & sisters choose.
Our children cannot inherit DNA we don't have though"


The scientist in me now asks .................

she does not have the DNA that her children share with you

Therefore you must be related to their father who gave his DNA to the kids.

Is that so?

If not ............... how did the children get the DNA they share with you if they didn't get either from their mother or who was thought to be their father?

You are correct JemimaF.

I have had some DNA matches with people I know I'm related to. And some matches with descendants of people in my family tree who I didn't know of. No Nigerians though.......

One of the sites I uploaded my DNA to did a check to see if my parents were closely related (they were), and it came up correctly, so matching does seem to work, somewhat.

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/1/28/18194560/ancestry-dna-23-me-my...


a read here explains how your raw test works in relationship to grouping.SNPs

I have no idea how I am related to the children, Sylvia. Obviously through the father who is Spanish (Mum is English) so a big mystery to me. But my Paternal ancestors were all seaman ;-)

Thanks for that link Kay. Anyone who is puzzled by their ethnicity results should read it to see how the estimates are calculated.

If you go back 10 generations (about 300 years) then there are 1024 ancestors who on average have each contributed 0.1% of your DNA. However the DNA of some may not have been passed on and others may have passed on much more. Go back another 300 years and the average is one millionth each.

It is Ken,,,,you have to have a little insight to DNA profiling to get an idea how its transmitted down a lineage,,

When its put as,,2% xyz,,,,in real terms that 2% has been mailnly found in areas of ABC,,,,,we have no idea beyond a certain timeline where that 2% has been introduced.....

.unless like the ones who claim to have got back to Adam by written proof beyond doubt;-) :-D :-D :-D.

The trouble I’m having is my Mother was born illegitimately, the only other possible link is my step uncles son in Australia but he is on my mothers side, my mothers fathers surname is Frame and so far haven’t connected to them yet. ??