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I bought a picture of a Gertrude Knight in an Auction last week She is dressed either in a Governess uniform or in a WW1 nurses uniform.She is sat writing at a desk.

In the background of the photo it looks like she is sat in a room with a big fireplace with a Calendar on the side(looks like there is a WW1 nurse on the front of the calendar.Sorry can't see the date or year.


In the photo which she has signed She looks to be writing a letter to her family.

The clothes she is wearing is a long black dress with a white collar and white cuffs and frilled bow and a white bonnet which has white ribbon going behind her ears.

She is also wearing what looks like the Military Cross with a ribbon on her left hand side of the dress.

She has also got a long chain round her neck which hangs down to her waist
.
Gertrude is not wearing any rings .

She looks to be about 30/35 years old so I have put her birthdate roughly to near 1875/1880.

The photo was taken by a person or firm named """"LAFAYETTE""

If anyone has this lady in their tree and can prove it is their relation.

I will send them the photo.

Have a look here and see if this could be the same person (although the photo is not very good):-

http://rcnarchive.rcn.org.uk/data/VOLUME058-1917/page377-volume58-2ndjune1917.pdf

Could the decoration she is wearing be The Royal Red Cross which can be seen here (and is awarded for exceptional services in military nursing):-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Red_Cross

Lafayette have been photographers since 1880.

Kath. x

Kathleen,
The photo of your Gertrude is not very clear but had a look and I am going by the high cheek bones and the red cross you have given is exactly the same as the one on her dress.

I bought this photo in Rowsley. Derbyshire as I couldn't let anyone else get it as they may not have been interested in returning it to the Knight or descendants of Gertrude.

Kathleen,
The photo of your Gertrude is not very clear but had a look and I am going by the high cheek bones and the red cross you have given is exactly the same as the one on her dress.

I bought this photo in Rowsley. Derbyshire as I couldn't let anyone else get it as they may not have been interested in returning it to the Knight or descendants of Gertrude.

Hope you find someone in Gertrude's family to pass the photo on to. Have you "searched all member trees" to see if anyone has a Gertrude Knight born around the right time in their tree?

Kath. x

Kathleen I though it was one of your family with the info you put on.


Not as yet ,But will have a look

Sorry, I should have said I had no connection to Gertrude Knight. Just hopeful that any old photos can be reunited with the right families.

I absolutely love looking at old photos - I have loads of photos of some of my ancestors going back to the 1800's. I seem to end up with everyone's photos when they are having a clear out and I can't bear to throw any of them away!!

Kath. x

I wish Family had given me photo's of my Dad's family.
Hopefully I will be meeting a cousin next month and he will have photo's of my grandparents,uncles and aunts.

Not got a solitary photo.

Not one of mine unfortunately, plenty of Knights but no Gertrude. Hope you find a home for her.

Wondering about below, perhaps?...

Chris :)

25 May 1917 - Nottingham Evening Post - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire

WOUNDED SOLDIERS’ WELCOME
TO NOTTM. GENERAL HOSPITAL MATRON.
A characteristically hearty reception was accorded Miss Gertrude Knight, matron of the Nottingham General Hospital, on her return from London, yesterday, after receiving the Royal Red Cross of the second class from the King, who personally conferred the decoration.
Miss Knight has been matron of the hospital for 24 years...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Red_Cross

(if Medal above)

(below, The General Hospital, Nottingham)

Knight Margaretta Gertrude 1857 — 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England (Find My Past)

Knight Margaretta Gertrude 1858 — 1911 Census For England & Wales Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England (Find My Past)

Knight Gertrude 1857 — 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census (Find My Past)
St Sepulchre Without Newgate, City of London, London, England
(Occupation Probationary Nurse. St Bartholemews Hospital Smithfield)

(Birthplace, Cornwall, Padstow)


England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Margaretta Gertrude
Last name Knight
Gender Female
Baptism year 1857
Baptism date 06 Jan 1857
Residence Padstow, Cornwall, England
Place Padstow
County Cornwall
Father's first name(s) Edwin
Father's last name Knight
Mother's first name(s) Esther
Mother's last name Knight


Day Month 06-Jan
Year 1857
Parish Or Reg District Padstow
Forename Margaretta Gertrude
Surname KNIGHT
Father Forename Edwin
Mother Forename Esther
Residence Padstow
Father Rank Profession Master Mariner
Transcriber Kay Woodhouse


Day Month 10-Dec
Year 1850
Parish Or Reg District Padstow
Groom Fn Edwin
Groom Sn KNIGHT
Groom Age 27
Groom Residence Padstow
Groom Condition Bachelor
Groom Rank Profession Master Mariner
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) s
Groom Father Name William
Groom Father Rank Profession Master Mariner
Bride Fn Esther Martha
Bride Sn WILSON
Bride Age 23
Bride Residence Padstow
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) s
Bride Father Name Peter Day
Bride Father Rank Profession Master Mariner
Banns / Licence (B/L) L
Witness Fn1 Wm
Witness Sn1 Nicholas
Witness Fn2 Ann Maria
Witness Sn2 Knight


http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/


Deaths Sep 1942 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------
Knight Margaretta G 86 Cardiff 11a 225

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar

(1942)


1939 Register (Find My Past)

149 Newport Road , Cardiff C.B., Glamorganshire,
Gertrude Knight 16 Sep 1856 Female Hosp Matron (Retired) Single
Lillian Waller (Evans) 24 Sep 1923 Female


Edits (and if not her, well, she deserves recognition!, lol)

I would think it is highly likely that it is her. Well done.

Chris Ho,
Thanks for all the info you have put on.

Margaretta Gertrude Knight
in the 1861 England Census

Name: Margaretta Gertrude Knight
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: 1857
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Esther Martha Knight
Gender: Female
Where born: Padstow, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Padstow
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: St Columb
Sub-registration district: Padstow
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 249
Piece: 1540
Folio: 23
Page Number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
Esther Martha Knight 34
Esther Willson Knight 8
Terisa Kesina Knight 6
Margaretta Gertrude Knight 4
Lybela Jane Knight 2
Edwin Peter Knight
Emily Rabey 18


It's all right. it is Gertrude
I have found Gertrude in 1861 and she has 2 sisters and one brother.
So I am going to concentrate on them just in case there are rellies from them.

Thanks for everyone's help .

If there are no living relatives then I will have at what I will do with it.

Is it possible for someone to have a look at the 1871 census for Gertrude Knight as I have her on the census but can't make out the other names and it's gobbildy gook for the other family members.


Thanks

Would be worth a look in 'Search All Member Trees' (top right of page here, under 'Search') to see if any names are shared.

Below Baptisms were relating...

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/

1851 Padstow Esther Wilson KNIGHT Edwin Esther Martha more
1853 Padstow Esther Wilson KNIGHT Edwin Esther Martha more
1854 Padstow Louisa Katrina KNIGHT Edwin Esther Martha more
1857 Padstow Margaretta Gertrude KNIGHT Edwin Esther more
1858 Padstow Sibella Jane KNIGHT Edwin Esther Martha more
1859 Padstow Sibella Jane KNIGHT Edwin Esther more
1860 Padstow Edwin Peter KNIGHT Edwin Esther more
1862 Padstow Ernest William KNIGHT Edwin Esther Martha

Chris :)

(where is this Gertrude you have seen 1871?)


Deaths

(Parents, Cardiff, as 1871)

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3366815/3366831/136/

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3380652/3380664/317/


http://newspapers.library.wales/

(Welsh Newspapers Online)

Chris Ho

This what I meant.
it's the surmanes for those that were born in Cardiff.


Margaretta G Knight
in the 1871 Wales Census
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Name: Margaretta G Knight
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Edwin Knight
Mother's name: Esther M Knight
Gender: Female
Where born: Padstow, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Roath
Ecclesiastical parish: Roath
Town: Roath
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 27a
Household schedule number: 286
Piece: 5366
Folio: 136
Page Number: 61
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin Knight 48
Esther M Knight 44
Esther W Knight 18
Louisa K Knight 16
Margaretta G Knight 14
Syballa Janeds 12
Edwin P Janeds 10
Ernest W Janeds 9
Percy Ed Janeds 5
Arthur Hy Janeds 4
Harbert W Janeds 8 Months
Ellen Jones 21
Janes Potter 14


It looks like 2 families but it's not ,if you look on the image the names can hardly be seen.

It's a poor image, no better on FMP, names of children as Baptisms above...

Chris :)

(must be off now!)

Thanks so much Chris Ho for all your help.

Your a STAR. <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

Well hopefully she can find an 'owner', lol.

http://www.cornwallfhs.com/

(another that might have Members with interest in Surname)

Chris :)

UPDATE..

I have researched everyone of the children that belong to Edwin and Esther Martha.

They were very unlucky with their sons

Herbert Wilson died as a baby age roughly 10 months. 1871

Ernest William drowned off Cape Town age 17 in 1879

Edwin Peter died in Cardiff age 16 in 1876.

2 of the lads Percy Edward and Arthur Henry lived over 40yrs old.

Can't a marriage for either of them.


All the daughters died never marrying and only one of them died after Margaretta Gertrude.

Do you think the Nottingham Archives might be interested? You could put together a brief written resume of the research you and others have made.