Genealogy Chat

Andy, you're some sort of genius!! Where did u find it??

Found this birth

WEAR Ellen L mmn Wear Longtown.10b 962 AMJ 1918

Andy

Oh..... fiddlesticks... lol.

My ancestry.com membership has run out, and I dont really want to pay $25 for another month, could anyone else have a look for me? There are apparently 64 Kinsella Marriages, but I havnt worked out if I can search for both Kinsella and Wear??

The Kinsellas are a very Whitehaven based family from what ive seen on census' etc. Its worth a look tho.. off to ancestry.com I go. lol

If she was American, they might have got married in the US?

Is that a possibility???????????



sylvia

1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Wear
Name: Elizabeth Wear
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ann J
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitehaven, Cumberland, England

Civil Parish: Whitehaven
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bees
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Definitely not american by the looks of it..

The other things that dont quite tie up are, that in 1901 she is a miners wife. The club opened somewhere between 1910 and 1914, so she would have had to have a nice change of fortune to be important enough to open it.
Also, My nana was told that her mums husband was a farmer.. Patrick was a miner!?

Think we're close, but not there yet, lol.

Have you found Elizabeth on the 1891? She may not have been American, or the birthplace on the census you found was wrong.

I dont have it at the moment.. my gt aunt is trying to find it, she doesnt know which sister ended up with it when my nana died.

Whitehaven is abt 40 miles from Carlisle.

I really thought we had sussed it there until Elizabeth turned out not to be from America!

I don't know that area at all, so wouldn't have a clue where Whitehaven and Longtown are. Do you have the cert?

Ann, as far as I know the cert said Longtown, which is near carlisle!!???

Hmm.. this one isnt american though..

Elizabeth Kinsella
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Patrick
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitehaven, Cumberland, England

Civil Parish: Whitehaven
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Whitehaven
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Got a marriage!!!

Patrick Kinsella 1898 Jul-Aug-Sep Whitehaven Cumbria, Cumberland
Elizabeth Wear 1898 Jul-Aug-Sep Whitehaven Cumbria, Cumberland

Whitehaven 10b/ 1082

There's a birth in June 1918 in Whitehaven, of Louisa Kinsella, mothers maiden name Wear Vol 10b, p 1223 (I think - page is hard to read). Could this be her??

Also, thinking about it, I dont suppose Ellen would be registered with the surname Kinsella as she was illegitimate?

These are the entries on BMD...

Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
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Kinsella Eva Wear Whitehaven 10b 1345

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Births Dec 1913 (95%)
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Kinsella Benjamin M Wear Whitehaven 10b 1272

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Births Jun 1915 (87%)
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Kinsella Kathleen Wear Whitehaven 10b 1386

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Births Mar 1920 (98%)
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Kinsella Benjamin Wear Whitehaven 10b 1609


Interestingly.. none when hubby would have been away at war!!!

AH!!! You could have something though.. maybe thats the lady we are looking for's other children??. I presume she might have tried to keep ellen a secret??

Ah.. from the parton site.. apparently planning permission was requested as follows:

Ref. Date Project Client
553 1908 Dec 31 Young Men's Club Carruthers

There are 4 births for Kinsella, mothers maiden name Wear, on free bmd 1912-1920 in Whitehaven district, but none 1917/18 for an Ellen

Yep, once we get the mothers name, all will be much clearer! Im trawling through ww1 records at the mo, trying to see if theres any kinsellas. Ive already checked for wear - Kinsella marriages. None that ive found.

A couple of ideas. There's a website pastpresented all about Parton. Had a quick look but couldn't see anything about the opening of the club. Might be worth contacting the site owner, to see if they know anything. The club was listed in the 1914 directory on that site, but not in the 1910. If you could find out when it opened, then there may be an article about it in the local paper. If you had the mothers name, then that would help!

I have just spoken to my mother, and apparently nana looked very much like the Kinsella's.. she seems to think that the relationship is different to what ive put above.. who knows at this point!!