Genealogy Chat

Wish me luck. I have never defiantly found my ggg grandmother on the 1841 census. She is Ann Phillips brn 1827, christened 14th Sep. 1828 Willenhall, Stafford. After her christening, the first time I can pin her down is on the birth of her son Thomas in 1843, love child. I have now spent more then I should have on marriage certificates, Ann Phillips in Wolverhampton, in the hope of finding her that way. Lets hope oh doesn’t find out!

In the 1851 census is she the one living in Fenton?

Kath. x

I really have no idea, I think she got married before the 1851 census, after Thomas birth

Do you know her married name? Have you found her on a later census?

Kath. x

No, don't know her married name, thats why I have sent of for marriage certs for Ann Phillips. I have found her parents on every census, until their deaths, and have found her siblings, but not her

When you are ordering marriage certificates, are you giving her father's name as a checking point? It will cost you less this way, as they won't send ones where the father is called something else.

Have you found her son Thomas in any census or do you think his name was changed when she married?

Kath. x

Yes, have put her Fathers name on

In that case what makes you think that any you have bought are not the right one?

Kath. x

I have bought the certs yet, they are on order, but in the wolverhampton district there was a number of John Phillips with daughters called Ann

Oh, I see. However I don't really know how you will know which is yours without knowing more about the family.

Kath. x

Yes, I know thats why I am hoping that there is something on the cert that will confirm she is "mine"

Hi Lynda

Is this your Thomas?

1851 England Census
about Thomas Phillips
Name: Thomas Phillips
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Willenhall, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Willenhall
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Willenhall
ED, institution, or vessel: 2c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 126
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Phillips 40
Mary Phillips 37
Thomas Phillips 8


Morning to you Kath,

Morning Claire,

You've just caught me - I'm off now as I've been here all morning, lol

Kath. x

I've got to go to work too, catch you later Kath
Lynda if you post as much as you know someone may be able to help. What none of us want you to do is waste any more money.

Yes, that is my Thomas. He was bought up by his uncle Henry, he put Henry down as his Father on his marriage cert. I have Thomas and his family on every census until his death, and then his wifes. It's Ann his mother I am having a prob with

There is always the possibility that Ann died before the 1851 census. That could be one explanation for finding everyone else but her.

Rob

Lynda I'm back now. I'm assuming that you have Thomas' birth cert, is it the one for Q2 1843 Wolverhampton.
Please can you let me know what's on there? An address would be useful if it's on there.

Sorry for late reply, got called into work. The address on Thomas's birth cert is Middle Row, presume that is in Willenhall

I managed to find Henry on the 1841 but Ann wasn't with him, neither was Henry living at the address where Thomas was born.
Unfortuntely the IGI has a gap in the christening dated between 1825 & 1829 which is probably when Ann was born.

1841 England Census
about Henry Philips
Name: Henry Philips
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Hundred: South Offlow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Willenhall
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Gold 19
Henry Philips 25
Mary Philips 25
Thomas Willot 20