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Death Cert : ANNE JANE ROBINSON - I am looking to find my Great Great Grandmothers grave in the Liverpool area. I am looking on behalf of my grandad who is 80 tomorrow!!!! we have been looking for ages and haven't had an success.

Information I have:

Birth Cert: JANE MOTTRAM - DOB 11/05/1863 - Born Saint Thomas Liverpool, county of Lancaster - Father Thomas Mottram a Carter, Mother Ellen Mottram formally North - Lived at 18 Lydia Ann Street, Liverpool. - Reg 28/05/1863

Marriage Cert: Married St Paul's Church, Birkenhead - 23/05/1886 with the name ANNE JANE MOTTRAM (Spinster) age 23 - Father Thomas Mottram a Miller. Married a William Robinson (Bachelor) age 23 a Ships Steward - his father was also William Robinson who Laboured.

Childrens Birth Certs:

Ellen Valentine Robinson- 14/02/1889 - Birkenhead, Tranmere - reg 13/03/1889- Mother Ann Jane Robinson formerly Mottram - address 1 Cobden Street, Tranmere - Father William Robinson - Ships Steward

Janet Robinson - 12/05/1891 - Toxteth Park, Liverpool - reg 29/06/1891 - Mother Ann Jane Robinson formerly Mottram - address 115 Grafton Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool - Father William Robinson - Ships Steward

Benjamin Robinson - 23/10/1896 - Toxteth Park, Liverpool - reg 18/01/1897 -Mother Ann Jane Robinson formerly Mottram - Father William Robinson - Ships Steward
SDRI W Robinson 33 Essex Street, Toxteth Park.

Thank you for taking the time to look at this, many thanks Julia x

So you are looking for the death of an Anne Jane Robinson. Do you know when she was last known to be alive - or is the birth of the last child the last you know of her?

Kath. x

Hi Kath, I believe she had another son Thomas but do not know in which order he came as do not have his birth cert. I'm sorry I don't know when she was last known but have been told that the children had to go into care as William was missing. x

Have you located the family on 1901 census?

Reg

I was just going to ask that Reg. So far only found Benjamin age 4 who is with an aunt & uncle Mottram

Jennifer

1891 census........

Name: Ellen Robinson
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Wm
Mother's Name: Wm J
Gender: Female
Where born: Tranmere, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Robinson 2
Wm Robinson 28
Wm Robinson 3 b. Rock Ferry, Cheshire
Wm J Robinson 27 (Image is Ann)

Reg

I've a really poor copy of a census unsure what year it is - all the info showing is Page No. 40 of No. 296 of West Toxteth - Street Name: 115 Grafton Street - William Robinson - head - 28 - Ships Steward - North Shields Durham. Ann J Robinson Wife - 27 - Liverpool. William? Robinson Son - age 3 - Scholar - Cheshire Rockferry. Ellen Robinson - age 2 - Tranmere. Does this help, sorry not very good at this x

Julia

That's the 1891 census.........matches what I posted

Reg

1891
Ellen Robinson Wm,
Wm J abt 1889 Tranmere, Cheshire, England Daughter Toxteth Park Lancashire
View Record
Wm Robinson Wm J abt 1863 North Shield, Durham, England Head Toxteth Park Lancashire
View Record
Wm Robinson Wm,
Wm J abt 1888 Cumberland, England Son Toxteth Park Lancashire
View Record
Wm J Robinson Wm abt 1864 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Wife Toxteth Park Lancashire

Thanks Reggie posted mine,then saw that you had found it! x

Is this the son William in 1901?

Name: William Robinson
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Tranmere Rock Ferry, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Newton in Makerfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Newton in Makerfield St Peter
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Warrington
Sub-registration district: Newton in Makerfield
ED, institution, or vessel: Liverpool Farm School


Reg

Reg I just saw that. I wonder if something had happened to the parents with William being in a Farm School and another child with relatives or perhaps Jane had gone to sea with her husband leaving the children in Liverpool

Jennifer

This one would appear to be too young.........but as she is apparently alone, there may have been doubt about her actual age..........

Name: Janet Robinson
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Walton On The Hill
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: Workhouse

Reg

I wonder.................

Name: Amy Jane Robinson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Year of Registration: 1900
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 37
District: Toxteth Park
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 171


Reg

Looking through all the paperwork I have to see if I can spread some more light on it for you x

Looks promising Brenda......the maths works out OK

Reg

Just looking through a letter my grandad wrote to a researcher (he was unable to find anything), he stated that his grandad went missing at sea around 1906 and that Ann had died while having a baby just after hearing he had gone missing, the baby servived. Don't know how true this is as we have been unable to locate either of them with this information. x

I would look at the 1900 death, I think. Sounds promising and the cause of death may well seal it if you know she died in child birth (or shortly after)

All this information is fantastic, thank you everybody!! Brenda do you think this maybe her? If so, do you know how I go about finding the cause of death or even her grave if she has one? Sorry I am unsure as to where to go next, can I apply to Birkenhead Reg office for her death cert? xx

Thank you so much!! I will look into the information you have given me.

Julia x