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1 Sep 2007 10:44 |
Hi All Being a bit of a novice at all this I think I need some help in trying to figure out who is who on one section of my tree - If you can offer any guidance or point me in the right direction I would be really grateful. Ok where to begin..... My GreatGrandmothers parents are shown on her bc as Thomas & Rebecca Beasley (nee Taylor) on the 1901 census they are shown as married living with their daughter Matilda (My GGM) and the age difference between them is about 30 Years! on the 1891 the census shows something different, they are living at the same address but Rebecca is shown as Rebecca Beasley, Single and the heads Sister in Law. The head is shown as Thomas Elliot.... I'm trying to work out their actual names so I can go back further in my tree as without this I don't know where to go?? I cannot trace any marriage between them but I did find a marriage of Thomas Elliot to Betsy Beasley in about 1854 so thought maybe Betsy and Rebecca where related but the age gap between them is too great to make them sisters???
Sorry, I've waffled on but this has been bugging me for weeks and I now cant sleep at nights for trying to work it all out! Thanks for reading. Kim
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ErikaH
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1 Sep 2007 10:49 |
Kim
Hope you don't mind......posting 1901 for ref
Name: Matilda Beasley Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Thomas Mother's Name: Rebecca Gender: Female Where born: Limehouse, London, England Civil Parish: Limehouse Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Stepney Sub-registration district: Limehouse ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 302 Household Members: Name Age Matilda Beasley 9 Rebecca Beasley 43 b. Stewkley, Bucks Thomas Beasley 66 b. Stewkley, Bucks
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Name: Rebecca Beasley Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation: Sister-in-law Gender: Female Where born: Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Limehouse Ecclesiastical parish: St John Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Stepney Sub-registration district: Limehouse ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ann Beasley 8/12 b. Middlesex........*** Minnie Beasley 15 b. Bucks.....single Rebecca Beasley 32 b. Bucks...single Thomas Elliott 56 b. Bucks....widower Sybil Taylor 8 Visitor *** No relationship listed.............
Reg
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kim
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1 Sep 2007 10:51 |
Ofcourse not Reggie - Thankyou
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KathleenBell
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1 Sep 2007 10:58 |
This looks like Thomas Beasley in 1891. It says he is married but he's on his own:-
Name: Thomas Bearley [Thomas Beasley] Age: 56 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Stewkley, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Stewkley Ecclesiastical parish: Stewkley Town: Stewkley County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Winslow Sub-registration district: Winslow ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Bearley 56
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1148; Folio 166; Page 2; Kath. x
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Paul Barton, Special Agent
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1 Sep 2007 11:02 |
Surely Thomas Elliot's wife would have been a Taylor, not a Beasley!
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KathleenBell
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1 Sep 2007 11:10 |
I think that in 1891 Rebecca Beasley is mistranscribed as "single" and is probably married to Thomas Beasley who is back in the place where he was born. They both seem to have occupations to do with laundering and washing.
Rebecca could be the sister of Thomas Elliott's late wife - there isn't too much age difference. I have siblings with 25 years between them. My own eldest sister is 20 years older than my youngest brother.
Kath. x
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kim
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1 Sep 2007 11:12 |
The marriage of Beasley/Elliot was found before I had Matilda's BC showing Taylor.
The 1891 census I refer to mentioning the Thomas Elliot I really think is the same Thomas (age and address etc are all too much of a coincidence) Sorry Reggie or someone else could you add the 1891 census info if you dont mind, I dont know how to do all that technical stuff!
There is also a Sybil Taylor on the 1891 census.
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ErikaH
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1 Sep 2007 11:13 |
Kim
I put the 1891 below the 1901...........
'Thomas Bearley's' occupation on the 1891 is 'Hawker'
Reg
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kim
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1 Sep 2007 11:16 |
Kath - I thought that could be possible too so tried to find a match or link between Betsy and Rebecca (Taylor & Beasley) but I wasn't sure how to do it properly. I searched the family names for Buckinghamshire but I couldn't find the families having a daughter Betsy then later a Rebecca.
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kim
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1 Sep 2007 11:18 |
so you did - sorry Reggie and Thank you
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Paul Barton, Special Agent
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1 Sep 2007 11:19 |
Maybe his name was Thomas Elliott Beasley and the enumerator thought his middle name was his surname. However, it does actually describe Elliott as a widower on the census.
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KathleenBell
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1 Sep 2007 11:19 |
Have you looked for a death of Thomas Elliott?
Perhaps the house they were in actually belonged to Thomas Elliott and when he died Thomas and Rebecca Beasley moved in (which is why the same address comes up on both census).
I am only trying to give ideas fo you to think about, as there is a Thomas Beasley on the 1891 census from the right birthplace and born the right time.
Kath. x
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ErikaH
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1 Sep 2007 11:21 |
This may cause more problems than it solves.............1861
Name: Sarah Rebecca Beasley Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Jonathan Mother's Name: Eliza Gender: Female Where born: Stewkley, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Stewkley County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Winslow Sub-registration district: Winslow ED, institution, or vessel: 19f Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 62 Household Members: Name Age Ann Beasley 10 Bettsy Beasley 8 Eliza Beasley 40 George Beasley 5 Henry Beasley 13 Jonathan Beasley 37 Sarah Rebecca Beasley 2
This is the only result for Rebecca born Stewkley c1859...........
Same family in 1871
Name: Rebecca Beasley Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Jonathan Gender: Female Where born: Stewkley, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Stewkley Town: Stewkley County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Winslow Sub-registration district: Winslow ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 108 Household Members: Name Age Ann Beasley 20 Betsey Beasley 18 George Beasley 15 Jonathan Beasley 47 Rebecca Beasley 12 Reg
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KathleenBell
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1 Sep 2007 11:22 |
Surely Betsy Beasley would have been Thomas Beasley's sister and not Rebecca's sister. This would still make Rebecca the sister in law of Thomas Elliott.
Kath. x
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Sue from Perth Oz
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1 Sep 2007 11:23 |
Looks like Thomas was married before
1861
Name: Thomas Beasley Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Stewkley, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Stewkley County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Winslow Sub-registration district: Winslow ED, institution, or vessel: 19f Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 50 Household Members: Name Age Charles Beasley 2 Mary Beasley 24 Thomas Beasley 26
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Name: Thomas Baisley [Thomas Beasley] Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Mother's Name: Rebecca Gender: Male Where born: Stewkley, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Stewkley Ecclesiastical parish: North East County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Winslow Sub-registration district: Winslow ED, institution, or vessel: 9a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 44 Household Members: Name Age Eadward Baisley 6 John Baisley 50 John Baisley 9 Joseph Baisley 13 Mary Ann Baisley 3 Rebecca Baisley 47 Thomas Baisley 15
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kim
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1 Sep 2007 11:24 |
All are possibilities I shall look into - Thank you.
I haven't searched for Thomas Elliotts death, thanks for that.
The Minnie Beasley that is mentioned later married a man called Epps I believe, I spoke to one of her descendants and she seems to think that Rebecca Beasley was her mother.... only one way to find that out I guess.
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Sue from Perth Oz
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1 Sep 2007 11:28 |
marr reg
View Record >>> Thomas Beasley 1854 Oct-Nov-Dec Winslow Buckinghamshire View Record >>> Mary Quainton 1854 Oct-Nov-Dec Winslow Buckinghamshire View Record Joseph Scott 1854 Oct-Nov-Dec Winslow Buckinghamshire View Record Elizabeth Smith 1854 Oct-Nov-Dec Winslow Buckinghamshire
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KathleenBell
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1 Sep 2007 11:28 |
You also need to bear in mind that in those days "sister-in-law" could also mean "step-sister".
Kath. x
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kim
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1 Sep 2007 11:28 |
The Thomas & Mary Beasley is a different family (I think!) They are shown on all census upto 1901 so surely that cant be the same guy ?
Can anyone find a Rebecca Taylor born that time in that area?
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kim
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1 Sep 2007 11:29 |
Oh I didn't know that Kath, hmmm that could be another possibility I guess.
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