Genealogy Chat

Im very confused by my GGG Grandad, Robert Redhead who on the 1851 census is listed as being born in the isle of man.

He lived in Workington at the time of the census and and is married to hannah. I believe he was born about 1823 but can find no trace of his birth on the IOM

Does anyone have any ideas, did some people get confused as to their birthplace/

Thanks,

Carol

Well yes, if they were born one place but move to another at an early age I expect they would believe they had always been there. But the isle of Man is pretty specific isnt it - not a place where there would have been a lot of movement to and fro the mainland.

Have you found his marriage? Im no good at northern england geography - Is this one likely:

Marriages Dec 1845 (>99%)
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BURNETT John S Shields 24 211
BURRELL Margaret S. Shields 24 211
>>>>>>HENDERSON Hannah Ward Shields S 24 211
NEWTON Ralph S Shields 24 211
PARKER Margaret S Shields 24 211
>>>>>>REDHEAD Robert S Shields 24 211
THOMPSON Jane Shields S 24 211

People sometimes gave the nearest big place to their actual place of birth. At other times they might give the place they were brought up.

I would have thought anyone saying they were born on the Isle of Man, either WAS born there or spent their childhood there and THOUGHT they were born there.

Have you looked at all the parish records because 1823 was before civil registration.

Kath. x

True Heather, he must have reason to say that. I havent found his marriage, would that help?

Im getting much more into proving my rellies now and want to be sure of information,

Carol

Is that marriage above likely - for the area/time scale of eldest child?

Yes, it could help as it would give his fathers name and occupation

You need to look for yourself - there seems to be quite a few possibles. Have you never bought certificates before?

Check out the age of the eldest child and the marriage is likely a year or so before (thought not always!! can be a lot later or earlier).

Look for the marriage on freebmd - you are lucky that you have a fairly rare name there - enter Robert Redhead and then look for a marriage in the right area - eldest kiddies birth place/wifes birth place? and time scale with one of the brides on the page shown as hannah.

No I havent kathleen, i went on an IOM family history site and went through everything i could to look for Redheads in any of the districts at the time but had no luck,

I may return as its been a while, the people were helpful but seemed vague about redheads as it isnt a manx name,

Does anyone know where redhead was common?

Carol

Heather,

Workington is on the west of the country and South Shields is on the east.

Kath. x

Ive just looked Heather and they are listed as married 1856, there was a 14 year age gap and childrens ages seem ok


Carol

Where was Hannah born?

You said initially that he was married to Hannah on 1851 census.........is that correct?

Reg

Just seen entry heather, its not them but ta

Carol

Hi Reggie, Hannah was born in Egremont,

Carol

So you know when they married and where Carol? How do you know that?

(Kath - LOL - as I said, NO IDEA when the place is north of Watford - well, Birmingham!)

If you are certain of that marriage then have you got the GRO reference for it? If you have, you go to GRO online and enter the details and buy the cert for £7.

Shoot me down if I get the area wrong: Is this the one you say is the marriage?

Marriages Jun 1856 (>99%)
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Christian John Whitehaven 10b 674
McCullock Martha Whitehaven 10b 674
PARK Hannah Whitehaven 10b 674
Redhead Robert Whitehaven 10b 674

Oops sorry, meant 1861,hes not on 1851 in workington

Carol

If you copy and paste the following into your browser it will tell you the distribution of Redheads in 1881:-

http://www.spatial-literacy.org/UCLnames/Map.aspx?name=REDHEAD&year=1881&altyear=1998&country=GB&type=name

Kath. x

I found it on ancestry heather, but wont cert just say IOM aswell? havent got any certs yet, saving up lol!

Carol

Cheers Kathlee, how far back does this go?

Caz x

So.............

Hannah Park 1856 Apr-May-Jun Whitehaven Cumbria, Cumberland
Robert Redhead 1856 Apr-May-Jun Whitehaven Cumbria, Cumberland
Volume: 10b Page: 674

The cert will tell you his father's name and occupation........there will be no birthplace info on it.

And to answer another question, Caz....Redhead is mainly a north-eastern name..............

Reg

Why are you sure that is the marriage though? You would be best off buying one of the kids birth certs to see what mums maiden name is. Then you will be sure the marriage is right.

The cert wont say a place of birth but it will give you the fathers name and occupation and you could then look for him.

Caz have you got this site.
http://www.lawsons.ca/home.html
I couldn't find him but there maybe something on it to help.
Hey he didn't get thrown out for poaching did he like my lot that ended upin Whitehaven :-)
Germaine
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Im not sure heather, just very few Redheads there at time so putting 2 and 2 together, had hannah and robert.....must get certs lol!