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Please could any one help me find one of my great aunts. She was a Miss Rosie Trolloppe and I have a record of her marriage in 1913 to Albert Edward Wilton in Kelston near Bath. His mother was landlady of the local pub and I believe Rose was a popular barmaid.

Tee hee! Oh, Anne, sorry I can't help, but is it Silly Name Day today? I have already seen Parma Violet on this board today. Hope someone sensible can help you. Olde Crone

1901 has this entry - the resident of the house is a wine and spirit dealer! Claude E Stevens abt 1887 Wootton Bassett, Hampshire, England Son Wootton Bassett Wiltshire Eliza Stevens abt 1847 Cosham, Hampshire, England Wife Wootton Bassett Wiltshire Eva B Stevens abt 1882 Wootton Bassett, Hampshire, England Daughter Wootton Bassett Wiltshire Harry J Stevens abt 1848 Calne, Wiltshire, England Head Wootton Bassett Wiltshire Henry J Stevens abt 1889 Wootton Bassett, Hampshire, England Son Wootton Bassett Wiltshire Mary Stevens abt 1827 Calne, Hampshire, England Mother Wootton Bassett Wiltshire Robert W Stevens abt 1817 Devizes, Hampshire, England Father Wootton Bassett Wiltshire >>Rose Trollope abt 1880 Calne, Hampshire, England Visitor Wootton Bassett Wiltshire

Sorry, I too laughed when I read this request, it reminded me of my Grandmother, she always reffered to 'loose women' as good time girls and Trollops! No offence intended! Lib

Hahaha as did most old timers Lib. My Mum for one and her sister and my Nan LOLLOLOL. Sorry, no offence intended either - it just makes me wonder how these sayings started. J xx

Do you have the marriage certificate? If so what was her father's name and occupation? If not this is the reference for the certificate:- March qtr. 1913, Keynsham, 5c, 1155 Kelston is in the Keynsham registration district. It gives her name as Rose and Trollope with one 'p'. Kath. x

never mind anne she could be related to anthonthy trollope the novelist eileen

This is presumably the record you've found? (I found it on the Bath BMD site). Bath Marriage indexes for the years: 1913 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference TROLLOPE Rose WILTON Albert Edward Kelston, St Nicolas Bath C45/1/098 Christine

I was going ot have a look on http://www.historicaldirectories.org/ to see if I could find your landlady, but the site is suddenly v-e-r-r-r-y s-l-o-w-w-w-w. As I'm supposed to be going into the office to do a couple of hours work (now I've established that my migraine has dissolved under the onlaught of my magic medication), I think I'd better leave that to you! They have Post Office Bath Directory, 1911 Post Office Bath Directory, 1902 which look promising and, probably, some others of the same era - certainly some earlier ones. Christine

Thanks everyone. Yes I found the marriage reference on Bath BMD. I also have a death for her in 1917 aged 37 which means she would have been born about 1880 which fits with Christine's wine merchant. I know Calne in Wiltshire. I have never heard of one in Hampshire. Does any one have access to the 1881 or 1891 census to look for Trollope's I think the term came from the loose women in Anthony's novels. If he was my relative I would not be too happy. I think he lived in Bath but was too early to be Rose's dad. I associate him with the introduction of the penny post in 1842.

Thanks Paula. I have just found her in Calne with her father Hugh.

These are the Trollop* 1891 census Trollop, Rose A abt 1868 Norwich, Norfolk, England Head Norwich Norfolk Trollope, Rose abt 1879 Heckington, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Heckington Lincolnshire Trollope, Rose abt 1863 St Germans, Norfolk, England Servant St Mary Magdalene Sussex Trollope, Rose abt 1890 Calne, Wiltshire, England Daughter Calne Within Wiltshire Trollope, Rose Ethel abt 1879 Walmer, Kent, England Daughter Walmer Kent Trollope, Rose G abt 1871 Panton, Lincolnshire, England Servant Cottingham Yorkshire

Had another go on the Historical Directories... Post Office Bath Directory, 1911 Post Office Bath Directory, 1902 Post Office Bath Directory, 1895 have: WILTON, Mrs. Ann, The Crown, Kelston Post Office Bath Directory, 1884-85 WILTON, James, The Crown, Kelston but Post Office Bath Directory, 1876-77 (p 317) Kelston section has SQUIRES, James, Crown P H and Kelly's Directory of Somerset, 1914 Kelston section has TROLLOPE, Edward W, The Crown I think that might give you something to work with? If you go to the site you can see the images of the Directories for yourself (and get addicted like I am?). Christine

This is the Calne Rose and family in 1891: Source information: RG12/1596 Registration district: Calne Sub registration district: Calne ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Folio: 34 Page: 2 GSU Number: 6096706 Trollope, Hugh abt 1850 Horningsham Head Trollope, Julia abt 1850 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Wife **Trollope, William E abt 1878 Calne, Wiltshire, England Son Trollope, Rose abt 1890 Calne, Wiltshire, England Daughter ** perhaps the one running The Crown later on (with transposed names)? Christine

In 1881 (harder to find because her name was mis-spelled on the original!): Source information: RG11/2035 Registration district: Calne Sub-registration district: Calne ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Folio: 41 Page: 7 Curzon Street, Calne, Wiltshire Hugh Trollope abt 1850 Horningsham, Wiltshire, England Head Julia Trollope abt 1849 Rhadrough Stroude Wife Harry W. Trollope abt 1871 Monkton Combe, Somerset, England Son Laura Trollope abt 1873 Monkton Combe, Somerset, England Daughter Frederick G. Trollope abt 1875 Monkton Combe, Somerset, England Son William E. Trollope abt 1878 Calne, Wiltshire, England Son Rrose Trollope abt 1880 Calne, Wiltshire, England Daughter Joseph Trollope abt 1808 Horningsham, Wiltshire, England Father Christine

1871: Source information: RG10/2479 Registration district: Bath Sub-registration district: Bathwick ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Folio: 53 Page: 11 Household schedule number: 64 GSU Number: 835194 Hugh Trollope abt 1849 Hannington, Wiltshire, England Head Julia Trollope abt 1848 Rodborough, Gloucestershire, England Wife Harry W Trollope abt 1870 Monkton; Combe, Somerset, England Son 1861: Source information: RG9/1323 Registration district: Mere Sub-registration district: Mere ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Folio: 71 Page: 24 Household schedule number: 130 GSU Number: 542795 Joseph Trollop abt 1808 Horningsham, Wiltshire, England Head Laura Trollop abt 1810 Horningsham, Wiltshire, England Wife Archileus Trollop abt 1842 Horningsham, Wiltshire, England Son Sabina Trollop abt 1847 Horningsham, Wiltshire, England Daughter Hugh Trollop abt 1849 Horningsham, Wiltshire, England Son Christine

Don't know whether any of the TROLLOP(E) marriages on http://www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk are relevant? Christine

Couldn't resist coming back to this and have had my reward! Here's Rosie's father's birth and marriage: Name: Trollop, Hugh Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1849 District: Warminster County: Wiltshire Volume: 8 Page: 486 Name: TROLLOP, Hugh Record Type: Marriages Quarter: March Year: 1870 District: Bath County: Avon Somerset Volume: 5c Page: 968 only bride called Julia: LUSTY, Julia (sic!!!!) My husband takes a mild interest in my addiction, so I told him about this wonderful find. His reaction: they should have hyphenated the surnames. What a wonderful thought... Rosie Lusty-Trollop, the barmaid! Christine

Rosie Lusty Trollope the bar maid - you could not make that up. It only goes to justify the strap line of the thread. Thankyou every one for your hard work. I think the Edward Trollope who took over the license of the crown was Rose's brother who married Albert's sister Florence. Florrie Trollope the bar maid does not have the same ring. Incidently it is a very nice pub if any one is in the area. Its these little details that make family history research more rewarding.

I'm glad you enjoyed it, too! I shall be smiling about it all day, I think. Best wishes - and thanks for the fun. Christine