Genealogy Chat

Hi Angela, Thank you very much, that's a great help. Sylvia xxx

Sylvia See what you mean :-)) Ann is John's wife, Mary his mother. Angela

Hi Glitter Baby, thank you for the information, yes this is the right one for when he re-married. Sylvia xxx

Hello Angela, Thank you very much for the information. Just to check on the 1851 Ann would be Johns wife, am I right ? Does it say who Mary Herbert is would this be Johns Mum? as it lists Fathers Name as Mary ? Sylvia xxx

Possible 1851 John G Herbert Age: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1830 Relation: Son Spouse's name: Ann Father's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: St Andrew, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St Luke Old Street Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: St Luke Sub-registration district: City Road ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 83 Household Members: Name Age Ann Herbert 20 John G Herbert 21 Mary Herbert 45 Ann born Coventry

Think this is them in 1861 Lousia Herbert Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Mother's name: Elizebeth Gender: Female Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Shoreditch St Leonard Ecclesiastical parish: Haggerston St Mary County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Haggerstone West ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 195 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Herbert 5 Elizabeth Herbert 7 Mo Elizebeth Herbert 25 Emma Herbert 2 John Herbert 31 Lousia Herbert 7 Elizabeth Parnell 55 John Parnell 13 Angela

1861 poss Name: Lousia Herbert Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Mother's name: Elizebeth Gender: Female Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Shoreditch St Leonard Ecclesiastical parish: Haggerston St Mary County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Haggerstone West ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 195 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Herbert 5 Elizabeth Herbert 7 Mo Elizebeth Herbert 25 Emma Herbert 2 John Herbert 31 Holborn Lousia Herbert 7 Elizabeth Parnell 55 Lodger John Parnell 13 John occupation of smith

HI Angela, No I have not found them on any census, although I have not be able to look on the 1851, I know that John Herbert got married again in 1859 in London to Elizabeth.So I am assuming maybe his first wife died between 1853-1859. I cannot find anything on a marriage or death. I am wondering if I am missing something, I thought maybe another set of eyes would help .......Sylvia xxx

Sylvia Do you have the family on any censuses? Angela

Thank you Vicky & Jim. I have found a Dolphin Street, I don't know if this is the same. Does anyone come from Sheffield and would you know if this is what it was called in the 1850's ?

It seems to be now called PinstonE Street. I wonder if there was a public house called The Dolphin there. Jim

sorry, don't have time to check for you - someone else might, but don't assume they were married - i made the same mistake with my own parents!!! vicky

This morning I received a birth certificate of Louisa Mary Ann Herbert on the certificate it said she was born at 'Dolphin Yard, Pinston Street, Sheffield in May 1853 and the parents (John & Ann) lived at the same address. I cannot find anything on John & Ann (formerly Clark) ever getting married, which I assume was in Sheffield somewhere and I cannot find a Dolphin Yard in Sheffield. Can anyone shed some light on this for me. Sylvia xxx