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Can Anyone help me I have been trying to Find my GGrandmothers Birth and Death Certificate and My GGrandfathers Birth and Death Certificate. I have their marriage certificate They were married at the parish church St John's Limehouse London GGrandmother name was Sarah Marns she was 24 when she married my GGrandfather Alfred Mansfield he was 25 they were married on the 4th July 1909. They lived at 173 Elsa Street when they were married. I have tried Ancestry,1837.com, FreeBMD loads of sites with no luck finding them. i have been told that Sarah Mansfield died around 1935 and Alfred died around 1926 he died the Grand Union Canal. but this information may be wrong. I have looked on websites and no luck. do not know the district they may have been born or died. but do know that their children 6 of them where all registered in limehouse/stepney. I would be soooooo grateful if anyone could help me as i cannot get any further back in my family tree.

could this be Sarah? not sure as no middle names on marriage Birth Sarah Ann J Marns Year of Registration: 1885 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Stepney County: Greater London, London, Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 459 (click to see others on page) Marriage Sarah Marns Year of Registration: 1909 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Stepney County: Greater London, London, Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 519 (click to see others on page) Alfred Mansfield wedding cert will give fathers names

don't know if this is a relation Sarah Marns Birth Date: abt 1856 Year of Registration: 1900 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at death: 44 District: Stepney County: Greater London, London, Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 255 (click to see others on page)

pm from sharon incase anybody else can see them Thank you for replying to my query. I have been told we don't think Sarah had a middle name - not one on the marriage certificate i have ---Sarah's father was called Frederick W Marns which i have his death certificate - Alfreds father was called William Mansfield. But for some reason even having this info from marriage certificate i cannot find their birth/death certificates ----I also know very little more info so think that is making my search harder. its best to reply on thread so others can see message just click on add reply jeanette

what age for Frederick on death cert? Jeanette

sorry first time i have ever used this. I do not think the Sarah Marns death that you have kindly found for me is my relative as she got married in 1909. Thank you for trying to help me though - i am totally stuck and getting very exhausted trying to search.

Frederick was 55 yrs old he was found in the house he lived in 173 elsa street that's what it say's on his death cert.

What year did Frederick die in?

frederick died on 16th Dec 1909 registered 20th Dec 1909 on death cert limehouse stepney.

the sarah who died in 1900 i thought could be her mother of aunt as same area I know it wasn't her. Jeanette

oh thanks sorry i am new to all this

Have you tried finding them in any of the census? 1901? 1891? If you find them on any of the census, it might help to find when and where they were born. Emma

yes i have tried census on the 1837.com website,ancestry i have found nothing.

ozibird thank you for information , but i don't know if it is right as Sarah marns dob around 1885 (my GGrandmother ) as she was married in 1909 to alfred mansfield. All i do know is that Sarah Marns father was called Frederick William Marns and he died 16th Dec 1909 ( i have his death certificate) I do not know if sarah had any brothers or sisters and i do not know her mothers name. and the 6 children that sarah and alfred had were called Cecilia ? not confirmed Alfred Rosetta John Frank Ivy

on sarah's marriage certificate it say's her father frederick william marns is a labourer (that was in 1909) no other info sorry

Hi Ozibird Sarah Marns was married to Alfred Mansfield 1909 Sarah's father is called Frederick W Marns (on marriage cert) and his occupation was a labouer Alfred Mansfield father is called William Mansfield (on marriage cert)and his occupation was costermonger. This is all the info i have ----and i am finding it hard to trace Sarah Marns birth cert should be around 1885 Alfred Mansfield birth should be around 1884 Or there Death Certs Alfred died around 1926? he died in the Grand Union Canal. This is all i know sorry. Thank you so much for searching for me, i need help in finding Sarah and Alfreds birth's and death's cert's.

yes i have - only found sarah A Marns and a sarah ann j marns which don't think is mine. and the sarah that's on has middle names and on the sarah that is mine on her marriage cert it just say's sarah marns so don't think my sarah had middle names and the only relative living to confirm if his mum had middle names say's no. hope the above makes sense.

update the sarah ann j marns that is here i have already investigate this her mother was called sarah ann jane block before she married a marns. i have gone back through this family but don't think they are related to my gg sarah marns

thanks for info on Alfred ---this could be a good lead. How would i find ALfreds birth certificate from this info any ideas please - can you tell i am new to all this. Wouldn't Sarah of had to put her middle names (if she had any) on her marriage cert?

thank you ever so much for info you have found for me on the Mansfield side. So the Sarah Ann J Marns born 1885 that i had and that has been put on here could be my ggrandmother - thank you i might be getting somewhere now. do you have any tips how i might be able to find there death certs now. thanks again it means so much to me to be able to get further back on my family tree