Genealogy Chat

Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me, i have been looking for the death of John Hutton Paull for quite a while, he was married to Helen Martin 28th.April 1835 Gorbals Glasgow. I have found Helen's death 1898 in Sussex, and believe John died some years before, i was wondering if he died in Scotland and if anyone could do a look up for me. Thanks. June.

Do you have him on any censuses..helps to narrow down the search. Suzanne

Hi, No i have not found him but i have found Helen on 1871,81 and 91. I have also found son John Hutton Paull (my grandfather) on census. june.

what was her marital status in the census that you have found her on , and where was she

June Did it have Helen as a widow on any of them? Marion

Can I suggest you try to first find them as a couple on censuses? Maybe Scottish censuses on Scotlandpeople website before 1871. Suzanne

Hi, Just looked at the 1871 and it looks like 'W' but there are lines going through, 1881 she was down as 'W' on the 1891 she was 'Head'. June.

Hi, forgot to add she was born in gibralter but the census were all sussex. June.

Oh right lol

Was she in Scotland in 1871? If so you will get the 1851/61 census on Scotlandsdspeople. I think it is Ann from Scotland who is offering Lanarkshire 1861 census, I will see if I can find it for you. Marion

Hi June Have found Helen and her son on 1851 census in Cathcart Glasgow along with the Martin family and she is shown as a widow then. If her husband died before 1855 in Scotland I'm afraid there won't be a death certificate. Margaret

This is from Kate in Scotland on the records boards.. BIVRI look ups offered, 1881 census for scotland, and 1861 census index for Lanarkshire Marion

Hi. Don't know how Helen came to be in Scotland but know she married there and had a son also John Hutton Paull 15th.May 1836 Gorbals Glasgow. June.

From 1881 for interest Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Helen PAUL Head W Female 60 Gibralter Annuitant Catherine MARTIN Sister U Female 58 Gibralter Annuitant Annie L. MARTIN Sister U Female 56 Gibralter Annuitant Margaret J. MARTIN Sister U Female 50 Gibralter Annuitant Robert J. MARTIN Brother M Male 48 Gibralter Independent Louise D. MARTIN Sis In Law M Female 32 Penzance, Cornwall, England Annuitant John H. PAUL Son M Male 40 Glascow, Scotland Clerk Helen H. MC ALISTER Visitor U Female 65 Irvine, Scotland Annuitant address Beadles House , Lindfield, Sussex, England

Hi Margaret and Marion, Thank you so much for your help, do you happen to know which of the Martin family was with her? Will i not be able to get a death certificate at all for him? June,

Hi Steve, Yes that is them, that John Hutton Paull is the son. Thanks June.

Hi Robert Martin 60 (who was born in Lochgilphead Catherine 55 Catherine 31 Ann Louise 28 Margaret 15 Robert J 22 There is also another daughter who's name I cannot read This is as well as Helen and her son. You won't be able to get a death certificate because civil registration in Scotland did not start until 1855. They seem to be quite well off though so maybe there would be a will or a burial record somewhere. Margaret

Hi Margaret, Thanks so much, that is another piece of the jig saw in place, is there any site i could go on to find old newspaper articles perhaps of his death, i have put names in 'google' but nothing came up, i wondered if Helens father was in the forces as the children were all born in Gibralter. Thanks June.

It sounded to me like her father may have been in the forces too - perhaps the navy. I don't know of any sites myself but I'm sure if you posted a message someone may be able to point you in the right direction. Margaret

Thanks Margaret. Best wishes June.