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Hi All This is driving me mad, here is what I know so far, another pair of eyes would be very gratefully received. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Birth record found – Thomas Grubb born 1855 Wellingborough (Northamptonshire) 1861 Census – Living with his parents in Shropshire, actually down as Thomas Grub b.1851 Wollaston, Northamptonshire. 1871 Census – No Record ! 1881 Census – No Record ! 1891 Census – Lodging with younger brother Joseph and family in Sheffield. Occupation Navvy. Showing as born 1856 Northamptonshire. 1901 Census – Possible sighting. Thomas Grubb b.1856 Nantyglo, boarding in Nantyglo with fellow boarders Harriet b.1861 and Mary b.1887. I can find no record of a Thomas Grubb born Nantyglo on any previous Census. Possible Death Record found – Ross Apr QTR 1901 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OTHER INFO: I have found a marriage entry Thomas Grubb Bedwelty 1898 – I believe this to be a red herring. Parents – William and Ann Grubb Siblings - Hannah, John, George, William, Thomas, Joseph and Benjamin. Family known to be living in South Wales, Walsall, Sheffield and Buckinghamshire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where is he in 1871 and 1881, I have tried all the combinations? Why cant I find a marriage record? Why cant I find a birth for Mary Grubb (assuming she is his daughter) I hope someone can help and that I have made some sort of sense. Many Thanks … Paul

can you psot the 1861 for the whole family - easier to hunt out a group ( hope he is still at home) got it View Record Ann Grub abt 1823 Bambery, Buckinghamshire, England Wife Beckjay Shropshire View Record George Grub abt 1847 Bambery, Buckinghamshire, England Son Beckjay Shropshire View Record John Grub abt 1843 Bambery, Buckinghamshire, England Son Beckjay Shropshire View Record Joseph Grub abt 1857 Woluston, Buckinghamshire, England Son Beckjay Shropshire View Record Thomas Grub abt 1851 Wolaston, Northamptonshire, England Son Beckjay Shropshire View Record Willm Grub abt 1851 Bambery, Buckinghamshire, England Son Beckjay Shropshire View Record Willn Grub abt 1818 Bambery, Buckinghamshire, England Head Beckjay Shropshire

You say you can't find Thomas Grub in 71 / 81 is it just him or the the whole family you can't find ?

There is a good chance that he was a low rank soldier, and ended up as a navvy afterwards. Have you viewed the censi that say nantyglo-is that a real place-?If not is probably a mistranscription.

How sure are you that the Thomas Grubb you found in 1861 is the same one as on later censuses? His date of birth and place of birth don't match. nell

place name interpretations joseph (possibly Joseph too?)= Wolveton i guess (near milton keynes , bucks) (Wollaston would come under wellingboro though) John William & dad = Banbury possibly

Wow! I pop off for 2 mins and what a great response. Will try and answer all queries; Jess here is the 1861 posting, I have traced most of the family, they seem to have moved around the country a bit (I guess following work- they were mainly ag and railway labourers) Ann Grub abt 1823 Bambery, Buckinghamshire, England Wife Beckjay Shropshire View Record George Grub abt 1847 Bambery, Buckinghamshire, England Son Beckjay Shropshire View Record John Grub abt 1843 Bambery, Buckinghamshire, England Son Beckjay Shropshire View Record Joseph Grub abt 1857 Woluston, Buckinghamshire, England Son Beckjay Shropshire View Record Thomas Grub abt 1851 Wolaston, Northamptonshire, England Son Beckjay Shropshire View Record Willm Grub abt 1851 Bambery, Buckinghamshire, England Son Beckjay Shropshire View Record Willn Grub abt 1818 Bambery, Buckinghamshire, England Head Beckjay Shropshire Esta: It is just Thomas I cant find. Alter: Good thought - dont know how I might check that though. Nell: I am pretty sure that Thomas on the 1861 Census and Thomas on the 1891 Census are the same - based on him living with brother Joseph and other brother Benjamin living close by. Alter: Yes Nantyglo is a real place, I did however search for any Bedwelty or Aberystruth births. Hope this helps .... Paul

Why would a family based in Northamptonshire and Bucks,suddenly disappear? Why has the Thomas Grubb ,if it is him,ended up in sheffield. I would search for deaths of this family first to see if a picture emerges. The navvy charchter looks right but no proof besides county that its the one from 1861. Worked in steel works earlier? Soldier? Possible mistranscriptions of surname>>> Grablo Cyrubb Grabb Cyrabb Cyrlolo

Deaths Jun 1865 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GRUB Benjamin Bromyard 6a 338 GRUB Elizabeth Hull 9d 121 GRUB Francis Truro 5c 106 GRUB Harriet Pancras 1b 94 GRUB Harriet Worcester 6c 167 GRUB Robert Goole 9c 381 GRUB William Michael Derby 7b 264 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Jun 1872 GRUB Elizabeth 80 Upton 6c 242 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Mar 1874 Grub Charles 0 Nantwich 8a 250 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -Deaths Jun 1885 Grub Ada 0 Nantwich 8a 246 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Mar 1888 GRUB Elizabeth 90 Ware 3a 288 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Jun 1901 Grub Jacob 0 Ormskirk 8b 511 ______________________________________________________

Hi Alter Here's what I know; The family originates from the Winslow Area of Bucks and seem to be fairly well established there upto 1861. In fact I find them all there on the 1851 Census. In 1861 they are all in Shropshire, working on the roads. I have a Bucks Prison entry for William Grubb from 1857 when he was sentenced to 3 months hard labour for abandoning his family to go work in Shropshire (I have the pastors notes from his prison record). In 1871 Most of the family have moved to South Wales (and are down as road and rail Labours again) 1881 They all move to Walsall and are living in some kind of poor house. 1891 They have split up – Some have remained in Walsall, some moved to Sheffield (Miners / Steel Workers) the rest have gone back to South Wales. I'm guessing that Thomas has followed his two brothers north. Thanks for the mis-transcriptions, I will give them a go. I am pretty confident that I have the majority of Ann and William’s children it is just this damn Thomas. Any ideas on how I might follow up the solider link? I wonder what wars were on 1871 – 1891 ? Cheers … Paul

so , if this is your 1851 family Ann Grubb abt 1822 Winslow, Buckinghamshire, England Wife Winslow Buckinghamshire Fanny Grubb abt 1782 Padbury, Buckinghamshire, England Mother Winslow Buckinghamshire George Grubb abt 1850 Winslow, Buckinghamshire, England Son Winslow Buckinghamshire Hannah Grubb abt 1839 Winslow, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter Winslow Buckinghamshire John Grubb abt 1846 Winslow, Buckinghamshire, England Son Winslow Buckinghamshire William Grubb abt 1818 Padbury, Buckinghamshire, England Head Winslow Buckinghamshire how come all thier bith places move ( quite drastically too) by 1861?

Deaths Mar 1863 GRUBB Female Brackley 3b 10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Dec 1870 Grubb John William 2 Southam 6d 378 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Mar 1871 Grubb Edward 73 Daventry 3b 93 Grubb Penelope Ann 1 Southam 6d 442 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Jun 1874 GRUBB William Henry 0 Banbury 3a 442 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Jun 1878 GRUBB James 1 Banbury 3a 475 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Jun 1879 Grubb Elizabeth 69 Southam 6d 412 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Mar 1880 Grubb William 79 Southam 6d 434 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Mar 1881 Grubb Elizabeth 86 Daventry 3b 81 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Jun 1881 GRUBB Hephzibah 24 Rugby 6d 277 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sep 1883 GRUBB Richard 79 Southam 6d 374 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Dec 1883 Grubb Thomas 0 Southam 6d 394 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Dec 1884 Male 0 Southam 6d 415 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Mar 1885 Grubb Fanny 23 Southam 6d 443 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Sep 1888 Grubb Amelia 69 Daventry 3b 55 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Sep 1890 Grubb Elizabeth 0 Banbury 3a 497 Grubb James 0 Banbury 3a 497 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Sep 1894 Grubb Elsie Annie 0 Southam 6d 326 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Sep 1895 Grubb Albert Ernest 0 Banbury 3a 535 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Dec 1895 Grubb Elizabeth 65 Southam 6d 430 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Sep 1896 Grubb Harriett 11 Banbury 3a 580 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Jun 1899 Grubb William 68 Southam 6d 417 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Dec 1900 Grubb Henrietta Emma 2 Rugby 6d 340 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Dec 1901 Grubb Edward 54 Banbury 3a 565 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Jess I know - I am banking on them being idiots, liars or both :) This is the best match I have been able to find. I have certs for my main line that I can trace back to the Bucks family in 1851. Apart from the 1861 census the rest all add up. They are pretty consistent in using either Winslow or Padbury (2 miles away) as their POB. My Grandfather's Birth Cert (he was born in Wales) links back to his father in Walsall, his cert links back to William of Winslow. The problem of course is that they are all WIlliam and George !!! Cheers...Paul

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------sep1876 BAUGHEN Emilia Banbury 3a 1103 GRUBB Thomas Banbury 3a 1103 James John Banbury 3a 1103 Stilgoe Rebecca Banbury 3a 1103 most likely marriage

Marriages Jun 1891 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------possible only other locally upto 1907 Grubb Thomas William Brentford 3a 147 Mundy Frank Ernest Brentford 3a 147 Randle Kitty Wallingford Brentford 3a 147 Stoneman Susan Brentford 3a 147 -

Cheers Alter I will have a dig around for these women (ooer). Paul

Sheffield Artillery Volunteers A brief history In 1793 the judicial murder of the French king, followed by that country’s declaration of war against Britain and the Netherlands, caused great alarm in England. The state of the professional armed forces was lamentable and there was a wave of amateur recruitment to volunteer forces. One of these was the Sheffield Artillery Volunteers, in its first form, which was raised in April 1794, as the Artillery Company of The Loyal Sheffield Independent Volunteers. It lasted only as long as the immediate crisis and was disbanded in 1802. This is of interest today only because the two original bronze guns with which the force was armed are still extant. They are now in the possession of the Sheffield Town Trustees, and are known as the ‘Town Guns’. They are stored at Kelham Island Museum, in Sheffield. Another surviving artefact of that period is a portrait of Captain James Shemeld who commanded the unit at that time. It now hangs in the Gunner Room of the Officers’ Mess of the TA Drill Hall at Endcliffe Hall, Sheffield. The ferment in Europe in 1848, followed by the election of Napoleon III as President of France and his declaration of war against Austria in 1859 precipitated the next wave of alarm and volunteer enthusiasm in Britain. Many units were raised or re-formed, including the 4th West Riding (Yorkshire) Volunteer Artillery in Sheffield in February 1861. The two Town Guns (6 Pounders) were brought out of retirement as their armament, until 32 pounders were delivered next year. There was some improvisation in accommodation, too. For a few months drills took place in Surrey Street at the ‘Music Hall’, before a move to Tudor Street. It was not until 1880 that a permanent purpose-built Drill Hall was opened at Edmund Road - Norfolk Barracks - where the Unit remained until 1965. Initially the organisation was strictly purist in its volunteer status: members paid an annual subscription of one guinea and were expected to provide their own uniform at a cost of four pounds. This period of local initiative and individual motivation did not last long. The Volunteer Act of 1863 introduced a degree of formality and standardisation to the volunteer forces for the first time, with some financial inducement. _____****Recruiting was brisk and by 1865 eight batteries had been formed, with an establishment of 640 soldiers. Apart from a brief foray into forming a Field battery in 1864 - an experiment which lasted only to1870 - the SAV remained Garrison Artillery until 1889, when the Unit was converted to Position Artillery. This involved a substantial increase to the establishment of horses, and the riding school, on the first floor of the Drill Hall with its wooden approach ramp, was established. Up to this time a variety of pieces had been served by the SAV, including 64 pounder and 10 inch muzzle loaders, and the conversion to Position Artillery did not involve the latest technology. But the unit worked effectively, for in 1867, 1872 and 1894 it won the Queen’s Prize at the National Artillery Association competition at Shoeburyness. (The cups won in 1872 and 1894 were loaned back to the National Artillery Association in 1999 as prizes in current Volunteer gunnery competitions.)

Thanks Alter I am beginning to 'warm' to the idea that he was a solider, I guess he would be 16 at the time of the 1871 cenus and it would not be too much of astretch of the imagination to belive he was away fighting for at least 10 years ??? mmm...more food for thought ... Paul

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