Genealogy Chat

If you have the problem again try searching without entering a surname (on ancestry, at least). Put in all the details you know and try to limit the search by putting the exact year of birth, then try +1 etc. I've had a family who I had to search for that way as the transcriptions were mainly wrong. Is a bit time consuming but may be the only way to find them. Toni

Sorry, keep getting our wires crossed here. Yes PM me by all means Gina

Hi Anne He doesn't appear to be indexed though he is definitely on the image Try Piece 4936 folio 39 in Durham 1871. Gina

Whhooeee. Yes Gina I would love to have it. May I pm you with my email address? Anne

Thanks Beth, that's a brand new thought for me. For some reason I had never imagined the whole family moving north - great, that gives me a whole new perspective. Still can't find good old Joseph 'though. Oh well, I have lots of other hard to find people so I'll give myself a break from the Lee's for a while. Again, thank you everybody. Anne

Hi Anne I've found them on my discs in Howden, North Bedburn 1871 Joseph Lee, Head, M, 22, Miner, Worcestershire Jennet, Wife, 18, Durham Mary E, dau, 3 weeks, Howdon Saved image if you'd like it Don't know why I can't see them on Ancestry, going back to check Cheers Gina

I wouldn't look in Coundon - I'd look around Crook first. There is a place called Howden-le-Wear a couple of miles SW of Crook and I reckon this is Joseph's parents in 1871 Elenor Rianson abt 1803 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Mother Crook with Billy Row Durham William Lee abt 1821 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Head Crook with Billy Row Durham Matilda Lee abt 1823 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Wife Crook with Billy Row Durham Ellen Lee abt 1857 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Daughter Crook with Billy Row Durham Thomas Lee abt 1857 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Son Crook with Billy Row Durham Duncul Lee abt 1859 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Son Crook with Billy Row Durham William Halely abt 1866 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Grandson Crook with Billy Row Durham BTW looking at the image I think Rianson is actually Robinson Good luck Beth :)

Thanks for that June. Can now see the family in 1881 & 1891. In my one name study of my family name I always believe the people are there to be found. I have seen a Smith family shown as Whincup. I suspect that a bit like excel when inputting the system 'guesses' that you want same surname as previos entry, which is fine whilst on same family but if carried on........ See in 1881 census Mary E Lee daughter is shown as being born in Howdon, Durham. Looking at 1871 Census from search box page down and click County Durham, next to find Howdon, which does not appear. I then used free BMD to find that in September Q of 1870 Joseph Lee probably married Janet Armstrong at Auckland 10a 269. Clicking on Auckland District for info you can see there is an area called Coundon. Going back to 1871 and clicking Coundon shows 63 pages minimum. I have not time to look through them all but I would advise you to look. It takes a little time, but is opften a good method. In any event you can then try something else. Hope this helps.

Exact Search Results - 1881 England Census View Record Jane A. Lee abt 1877 Spennymoor, Durham, England Daughter Shildon Durham View Record Jannette Lee abt 1853 Leadgate, Durham, England Wife Shildon Durham View Record John J. Lee abt 1875 Spennymoor, Durham, England Son Shildon Durham View Record Joseph Lee abt 1849 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Head Shildon Durham View Record Mary E. Lee abt 1871 Howdon, Durham, England Daughter Shildon Durham View Record Robert C. Lee abt 1880 Spennymoor, Durham, England Son Shildon Durham View Record Thomas W. Lee abt 1872 Nettlesworth, Durham, England Son Shildon Durham for ref June x

Anne, You say you have the Family 1n 1881, 1891, & 1901. Can you post the family as it was in 1881? So far I have not found a Joseph Lee born Dudley C1848, with wife Janet Lee Born ? Circa? (Need top see family you say is correct) Ray

YES. Thanks Gina; Joseph Lee c1848 born Dudley, Worcs. married a Janet and they had their 1st child, Mary E. Lee sometime around 1871 in (Howdon sp?)Co. Durham. Mayoress Maureen will be checking an 1870 marriage for me tomorrow in Auckland and I'm hoping it's the right one because I have found a Mary E. c1871 born in Auckland. I have tried every combination I can think of to find Joe and his wife - even to thinking they may have gone back to Dudley for the census period. Then as he is a coal miner I thought to try Wales!!! Unfortunately my memories of England are bad enough and when the Welsh site started asking about counties and districts I had to give up. 1881,91 and 1901 are fine - all the children born in the right places. But I'll be ****** if I can find him in 1871. Any thoughts on this would be truly appreciated. Anne

Would you like to post details so we can all have a go? Gina

Thanks folks. I've tried them all and nothing for poor old Joseph. There's a thought - would soundex catch the abbreviations of his first name? If he wasn't dead already I'd kill him. Anne

Gina beat me to it, capital L can be mistaken for S or T and vice versa. Capital letters were often done with such flourishes they could be mistaken for many other variations. Z, J? nell

'L' is often mistranscribed as 'S' or 'T' and vice versa. Have you tried searching for SEE or TEE? Gina

Thank you for the list Louise - although I do admit if I have to include McCue in the list my sons are never going to find out about their English relatives. LOL Anne

Thanks. I hadn't thought about S on the end Anne

I think transcription must be mind-numbingly boring when you have no direct interest in the names concerned! It's not surprising things haywire!

And no, that was stupidity not deliberate !!! :-) I have tried soundex and Lea, Leigh with no result. It boggles the mind really - one of the names was Joseph C Levy. It was so obviously Taylor. How do they do this ??? Anne.

And no, that was stupidity not deliberate !!! :-) I have tried soundex and Lea, Leigh with no result. It boggles the mind really - one of the names was Joseph C Levy. It was so obviously Taylor. How do they do this ??? Anne.