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Can anyone please help me to find the marriage of JAMES and ANN GULLEY. ? They are listed on the 1851 Census as living at 46 John Street, St. George in the East, Stepney.. Their Children are Philip age 12, Caroline age 5, Sophia age3 and Emma age 1 month. Also living at the same address is Christian Hay, age 22 listed as `Son in Law` but could possibly be Step Son ? . Christian is my g.grandfather, who`s birth record I am trying to trace. I shall be extremely grateful if anyone can help me untangle this web.. Thank you in anticipation, Len Hay.

If Philip was 12 in 1851 he would have been born around 1839. His parents might have been married pre-1st July 1837 in which case there won't be a civil marriage certificate. Have you looked on www.familysearch.org or on Freebmd yet? nell

Christian would have been born c. 1829 so you won't find a birth cert, but just a baptism record. If its not on www.familysearch.org you will have to look in the parish baptism registers in the county records office where he says he was born/or order microfilm of the registers at your nearest LDS family history centre/or contact the relevant local family history society. Christian's marriage cert should give his father's name.

I presume you have the 1881 census info Len?

This doesn't help much, but it's surprising that Christian is not in their household in 1841: John Edwards abt 1835 Middlesex, England St George in the East Middlesex Ann Gulley abt 1816 Middlesex, England St George in the East Middlesex James Gulley abt 1816 Middlesex, England St George in the East Middlesex Philip Gulley abt 1838 Middlesex, England St George in the East Middlesex Richard Gulley abt 1840 Middlesex, England St George in the East Middlesex At the moment I can't find Christian Hay! Merry

A birth cert for one of the Gulley children should confirm if Ann was formerly or late Hay (ie if Hay was her maiden name or her previous married name). Merry

Here's the ref for Emma Gulley, aged 1mth on the 1851 census: Gully Emma, 1851, Q1, St George in the East, Vol 2, Page 144 Merry

Thank you for you information Little Nell and Monty///I willplod on and see what I can come up with......Len.

As Christian is described as unmarried in 1851, the assumption must be that he is the wife's son by another man. I notice that he called two of his children Philip & Caroline Reg

hiya i found this 1851 census >>>Ann Gulley abt 1815 Shadwell, Middlesex, England Wife St George in the East Middlesex >>> James Gulley abt 1815 London City Head St George in the East Middlesex View Record Caroline Hay abt 1846 St George in East, Middlesex, England Daughter St George in the East Middlesex >>> Christian Hay abt 1829 Shadwell, Middlesex, England Son-in-law St George in the East Middlesex View Record Emma Hay abt 1851 St George in East, Middlesex, England Daughter St George in the East Middlesex View Record Philips Hay abt 1839 St George in East, Middlesex, England Son St George in the East Middlesex View Record Sophia Hay abt 1848 St George in East, Middlesex, England Daughter St George in the East Middlesex seems to be right family julie

Erm.....Julie....that's the family Len is talking about in his original post......all those called Hay in the transcript are really Gulleys on the census page, except Christian. Merry

this is 1861 View Record Christian Hay abt 1829 Wapping, Middlesex, England Head Stepney Middlesex View Record Christian Hay abt 1851 St Georges E, Middlesex, England Son Stepney Middlesex View Record John H Hay abt 1852 St Georges E, Middlesex, England Son Stepney Middlesex View Record Mary A Hay abt 1856 St Georges E, Middlesex, England Daughter Stepney Middlesex View Record Sarah J Hay abt 1828 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Wife Stepney Middlesex View Record William Hay abt 1854 St Georges E, Middlesex, England Son Stepney Middlesex erm, yes, sorry merry, cab sav fuddled me thinking, Duh!!! julie

LOL that's what I'm drinking....maybe you have had more that me??? (I'm jealous!) Merry

nah merry, about 1/4 bottle and feel tiddled, gone straight to me ed, but being 6months into pregnancy dont help much, have ran out now anyway, was last in bottle sob sob!! still having no luck with christian, seems to be elusive, dont help that he changes where he was flippin born,LOL julie

hiya, gottim!!!! 1841 View Record James Dismore abt 1816 Ireland Bethnal Green Middlesex >> Chritian Hayes abt 1829 Middlesex, England Bethnal Green Middlesex View Record John Hayes abt 1796 Ireland Bethnal Green Middlesex julie

The wine does work after all!! Well done! Merry

Lets hope John Hayes is his uncle or maybe Grandfather.....and not his DAD!! Merry

just trying to see if i can find john hays now maybe get lucky? julie

Can I just ask a question? If Ann is Christian's mother........and she is already married to Mr Gulley by 1841, where does John fit in? Do we assume he is an Uncle perhaps? Reg

hiya needle in a haystack me thinks!! julie