Genealogy Chat

I am asking for help again.............. I have at last found a Matthew J Hammond( two years searching) in the 1891 cencus.........ref rg 12 Piece 744 folio 77 page 34 14a... Paradise street Dover according to the cencus he is single, but can anyone find a marriage or any other info on him..... cant seem to find him on other cencus.........

Well, there's something afoot!! If you go back 10 years to the 1881, here are the same ''parents'' Matthew and Margaret, but now they have a GRANDSON called M J Garl (or something similar).......suspiciously, he is the same age as your M J Hammond and born the same place with the same initials!! James Brown abt 1847 Southwell, Nottinghamshire, England Son in Law Dover St Mary Virgin Kent Mary J. Brown abt 1851 Dover, Kent, England Daughter Dover St Mary Virgin Kent >>>>M.J. Garl abt 1871 Dover, Kent, England Grandson Dover St Mary Virgin Kent Elizabeth Hammond abt 1865 Dover, Kent, England Daughter Dover St Mary Virgin Kent Margret Hammond abt 1828 Ash Nr Sandwich, Kent, England Wife Dover St Mary Virgin Kent Mathew Hammond abt 1827 Dover, Kent, England Head Dover St Mary Virgin Kent Merry

hi there, on 1891 census mathew is a seaman could he have been at sea during 1901 & missed.

and 1871: Alice Carle abt 1852 Dover, Kent, England Visitor St Mary Kent >>>>Marthur J Carle abt 1871 Dover, Kent, England Son St Mary Kent Caroline Hammond abt 1861 Dover, Kent, England Daughter St Mary Kent Elisabeth Hammond abt 1866 Dover, Kent, England Daughter St Mary Kent Margaret Hammond abt 1825 Heme, Kent, England Head St Mary Kent Margaret Hammond abt 1863 Dover, Kent, England Daughter St Mary Kent Merry

On the 1871 actual page it reads Matthew Earle. Merry

but maye it's this one? Births Mar 1871 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hurrill Matthew James Dover 2a 887 Merry

I think these are his parents getting married: Marriages Jun 1870 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>HAMMOND Alice Dover 2a 1215 Hogwood Mary Ann Dover 2a 1215 >>>>>HURRELL David William Dover 2a 1215 WHITE Henry William Dover 2a 1215 Merry

1861 wild guess for Alice Name: Alice Ammond Age: 8 Estimated birth year: abt 1853 Where born: Dover, Kent, England Civil parish: Buckland County/Island: Kent Country: England Source information: RG9/550 Registration district: Dover Sub-registration district: Hougham ED, institution, or vessel: Buckland Union Workhouse Folio: 136 Page: 13 Household schedule number: 1 GSU Number: 542659 Going to rule this one out now Maureen

Maybe this is a red herring......I was expecting his parents to die and then for him to be taken back into the fold of the Hammond family (Matthew senr and Margaret being his grandparents?)....but I can't his parents dying....... Merry

1861 Name: Alice Hammond Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Relation: Daughter Where born: Dover, Kent, England Civil parish: Dover St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Dover County/Island: Kent Country: England Source information: RG9/549 Registration district: Dover Sub-registration district: St Mary ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Folio: 88 Page: 4 Household schedule number: 14 GSU Number: 542659 Caroline Hammond abt 1858 Dover, Kent, England Daughter Charles Hammond abt 1843 Ash, Kent, England Son John Hammond abt 1848 Dover, Kent, England Son Mary Hammond abt 1825 Ash, Kent, England Wife Mary Hammond abt 1861 Dover, Kent, England Daughter Mary Jane Hammond abt 1850 Dover, Kent, England Daughter Mathew Hammond abt 1826 Dover, Kent, England Head Mathew Hammond abt 1856 Dover, Kent, England Son

Is this marriage him???? Marriages Mar 1892 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CALCRAFT Bessie Louisa Dover 2a 1285 Driver Sarah Ann Dover 2a 1285 HURRELL Matthew James Dover 2a 1285 Kingsnorth George Dover 2a 1285 I can't work out who married who, as I can't find either groom in 1901!! Merry

George Kingsnorth married Sarah Ann Driver, she was born 1865ish in Dover and here they are in 1901: Charlie Kingsnorth abt 1895 Dover, Kent, England Son St Matthew Suffolk George Kingsnorth abt 1871 Middlesex, London, England Head St Matthew Suffolk George Kingsnorth abt 1893 Dover, Kent, England Son St Matthew Suffolk Katheleen Hettie Kingsnorth abt 1898 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Daughter St Matthew Suffolk Sarah Ann Kingsnorth abt 1868 Dover, Kent, England Wife St Matthew Suffolk So that means Matthew Hammond/Hurrell married Bessie Calcraft. She was born about 1870/71 in Dover.....now looking for her in 1901..................... Merry

Drat!! I can't find Matthew in 1901 ( not surprising given his occupation) but I can't find Bessie either.......can't see that she died, or remarried............. Merry

**Waves to waveyone!!** Cooooeeeyyy!! Merry

Thank you everyone Now I am going to confuse you all........... on my grandparents marriage cert it states that maud j Hammond(father matthew james hammond) married frank Gimber I have found all the info about frank however I cant finds Maud birth, but I have found a birth for Maud j Hurrill

That's not confusing......it's fantastic!!! Was it before or after 1901? Merry

maud J Hurrell born 1893 Eastry kent , which is the right same year as Maud Hammond who was 21 at the time of marriage to frank in 1914.... can anyone now find her death Maud J Gimber??????

Finding her death won't be so easy, unless you have some idea..........If she died after 1910 and beofre 1983 then it would mean trawling.....(unless she died before 1920 which would show up on Family Relatives, but I don't have any units for that at the moment) What's the chances this is her sister?: Births Sep 1897 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hurrell Alice Bessie Eastry 2a 998 Named after granny and mum...... Can't find any of them in 1901 at the moment...... Merry

Well, Alice Bessie won't be on the 1901 census as she died the following year..... These are all the entries on FreeBMD in Eastry district.......I should think there's a middling-chance these are all the same family. Where the **** are they in 1901?????? Births Dec 1893 Hurrell Maud Juliet Eastry 2a 914 Births Sep 1895 Hurrell Frank David Eastry 2a 983 Births Sep 1897 Hurrell Alice Bessie Eastry 2a 998 Deaths Mar 1898 Hurrell Alice Bessie 0 Eastry 2a 709 Births Mar 1899 Hurrell Ada Ethel Eastry 2a 1012 Births Jun 1901 Hurrell Edith Clara Eastry 2a 1033 Births Dec 1903 HURRELL Frederick William Eastry 2a 1064 Births Mar 1906 Hurrell Reginald Victor Eastry 2a 1119 Merry

I am confused because I dont know if I am looking for Matthew Hammond as on 1891 census or Matthew Hurrell with a daughter Maud.