Genealogy Chat

I have been given a box of bits and pieces which came from the house of my great grandmother and included are about a dozen memorial cards most of which have proved to be members of the family. However there is a memorial card for Heinrick Puckbauer and one for Elizabeth Pookbower and I am trying to work out whether they are connected with the family at all. Heinrick died on 12 April 1886 and in the Death Index 2nd Quarter 1886 there is a Henry Pookbower. Elizabeth died on 20 April 1886 and her death is recorded in the same quarter. I have received her death certificate and she is stated as being the wife of Henry Pookbower, gas stoker. The informant was E Pookbower, daughter. I have found a marriage on freebmd 1866 4th Quarter for Heinrich Puchbauer. I have also found on the 1868 Death Index the death of Auguste Puchbauer, age 0, Kensington 1a, 134 and Henry Puchbauer, age 2, Kensington 1a, 130. The problem is that I can’t find anything on any of the census for anything remotely like that name and I would really appreciate it if someone else could have a go in case I have missed something obvious. Thanks for reading. Marion

hope you don't mind Marion - the first box never lets you space anything out so I'm just gonna do it here so its quicker to read Zoe I have been given a box of bits and pieces which came from the house of my great grandmother and included are about a dozen memorial cards most of which have proved to be members of the family. However there is a memorial card for Heinrick Puckbauer and one for Elizabeth Pookbower and I am trying to work out whether they are connected with the family at all. Heinrick died on 12 April 1886 and in the Death Index 2nd Quarter 1886 there is a Henry Pookbower. Elizabeth died on 20 April 1886 and her death is recorded in the same quarter. I have received her death certificate and she is stated as being the wife of Henry Pookbower, gas stoker. The informant was E Pookbower, daughter. I have found a marriage on freebmd 1866 4th Quarter for Heinrich Puchbauer. I have also found on the 1868 Death Index the death of Auguste Puchbauer, age 0, Kensington 1a, 134 and Henry Puchbauer, age 2, Kensington 1a, 130. The problem is that I can’t find anything on any of the census for anything remotely like that name and I would really appreciate it if someone else could have a go in case I have missed something obvious. Thanks for reading. Marion

for refeernce - from the two 1886 death indexes Elizabeth was born about 1846 Heinrich was born about 1838 )death registered as Henry)

1881 census Elizabeth Pookbour abt 1837 Germany Wife West Ham Essex Elizabeth Pookbour abt 1869 West Ham, Essex, England Daughter West Ham Essex Henry Pookbour abt 1836 Germany Head West Ham Essex - gas maker Minnie Pookbour abt 1871 West Ham, Essex, England Daughter West Ham Essex

Thanks Zoe - the trouble is when you re-read it yourself it makes perfect sense. lol Marion

Zoe, I don't know how you do it. I'm off to have a quick look at that. Won't be long. Marion

Zoe - you're wonderful - yes that's them at the address where Elizabeth died in 1886. Now if you can just wheedle them out of the 1871 census I'd be eternally grateful. Marion

struggling with the 1871 in theory they should be in West Ham as the two girls were bron there either side of the census - but I can't see any possible at all I'm still playing around with it Z xx

There's a possible but rather weird entry in 1871. Bit of a long shot, though. E Henry Rower Bach abt 1831 Germany Head West Ham Essex Eliza Rower Bach abt 1829 Germany Wife West Ham Essex Auguste Rower Bach abt 1863 West Ham, Germany Daughter West Ham Essex Eliza Backbord abt 1869 West Ham, Germany Daughter West Ham Essex Mary Backbord abt 1870 West Ham, Germany Daughter West Ham Essex The original imagine shows something like Backbone, crossed out and replaced with what looks like Bowerback. They presumably all have the same surname, but Eliza and Mary were on the next page, and the Backbone isn't crossed out.

I've had a search for the birth of Minnie Puchbauer/Pookbower from 1870 to 1871 just to confirm that they were bron in West ham and I can't see anything there.

hi Zoe & marion i have searched the whole of nelson street for 1871, using their neighbour william worm as a search, they are not living in that street as far as i can see in 71...you could try searching the whole enumeration district using the same method, biut there is quite a lot of it Jo xx

calm down calm down Okay - so I now confess that in all teh name variations of Elizabeth I didn'tthink of shortening it and replacing teh Z with an S *smacks own wrists* Z xx

Just checked, and my Backbone/Bowerback family were living at 21 Vincent Street. Anyone know if that's anywhere near Nelson Street?

Mary Thanks for looking, as you say that one is a bit of a long shot but the surname could have sounded like backbore to someone writing it down. Certainly worth thinking about. Zoe Thanks again, I really don't know why I didn't find them in 1881, I thought I'd covered everything and really wasn't expecting a result. I was hoping to find some sort of connection with my Great Grandmother who, according to her children's birth certificates, her maiden name was Esther Bower or Bowers. The memorial cards came from her house and I wondered if Henry and Elizabeth were her parents but she decided to make her name more English sounding by just keeping the Bower bit. Unfortunately I think she is going to remain a mystery, I can't find a marriage for her although she was supposed to have married twice so no help there. I have another odd surname as well to try and fit in with the family but I certainly won't bore you with that one .......yet lol. Thanks very much both of you for your help. Marion

Thanks for the contribution Ozibird, I had found the marriage but hadn't thought of looking for Wilms. Mary, do you think that address is relevant. Have I missed something - again? Marion

Nelson Street and vincent Street look very close on a modern map. Probbaly about 5 mins walk between teh two

Thanks for that Mary, I hadn't looked on the map and by the way everyone who has helped me, the other name I was looking for as mentioned above was Bronze. When I look properly at the 1881 census I see that the family are living with the Pookbours but it is spelt Brunes. Still doesn't answer any questions for me but at least I now know where they are if I want them. Thank you all so much. Marion

The Backbone/Bowerback thing is a bit tenuous, but they have the name Auguste in common with the Puckbauers, plus Eliza could be Elizabeth and Mary could be Minnie. I can just about envisage the enumerator talking to Heinrich. What's your name? Puckbauer. Backbone? (writes it down) Nein, bauer! OK (crosses out Backbone and writes down Bowerback)

Been following this thread all night. Just chuckled away at that reply!

I came across a Welsh registrar who, it appeared, had had problems understanding an informant's Essex accent... don't like to think how he'd have coped with German names!