Genealogy Chat

That looks like her Thank you. I've found her record of birth, but I can't find her on the 1901 census, as I need to check her Dads name against her Marraige certificate. I'll just have to order her Birth certficate and hope for the best. Barbara

Just a thought I have come across cases of grandad registering a birth.

Is this her death:- Lily May Vallins, date of birth given as 17th Sept. 1892 March qtr. 1979, Dartford, 16, 1090 If this is the correct death, then it looks like the 1892 birth in Dartford is the correct one. The only other Lily/Lillian Vallins death I could find in the 1970's was a Lilian Patricia Vallins in 1974. Kath. x

They were Harry Vallins and Emily Vallins. If I found a record of her death, that could help me make sure I have the right Lilian. I know she died in the mid 70's. where's the best lace to search?

Barbara, I forgot to ask before: who were the witnesses on her marriage certificate? Kate.

The certificate I have is dated 27/02/1893 and has her born in Riverhead, Sevenoaks. I can rule out Lily May born in Gravesend from my list though. Thank you.

Oh, it just occurred to me, can you tell us which of the birth registrations listed above is the one for the birth certificate that you have, please? Kate.

This is a possibility for her in 1901 if the grocer / draper family is the wrong one: View Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image View Record Emily Louise Bassett abt 1873 Tubs Hill Shoreham, Kent, England Wife Lullingstone Kent View Record Herbert Bassett abt 1875 Hawley Nt Dartford, Kent, England Head Lullingstone Kent View Record Lillie Bassett abt 1893 Hextable Na Dantford, Kent, England Nephew Lullingstone Kent View Record Thomas Williams abt 1858 Brighton, Sussex, England Boarder Lullingstone Kent Herbert is a carter on a farm, living at Park Gate Cottages. Lillie's birthplace should be 'Hextable Nr. Dartford, Kent'. It really does say 'nephew' for her relationship to head, but her age is in the 'female' column! Lullingstone is close to Orpington. It may take you quite a bit of work to sort this lot out. It does seem more likely to me that Lilian's family will be farm workers than that her father went from being a draper / grocer to being a farm labourer (or vice versa), but you never know. Kate.

There is this death on FreeBMD, to rule out one of the births above: Deaths Dec 1894 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bassett Lily May 1 Gravesend 2a 287 And not sure if this is one of those births above or not as there is no middle name but I can't see a birth in Woolwich: Deaths Sep 1899 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bassett Lilian 7 Woolwich 1d 851 That has confused things nicely, hasn't it?! Kate.

Barbara are you sure you have the right birth certificate? There are 3 possibles born around the right time... Births Dec 1892 Bassett Lilian May Edmonton 3a 400 Bassett Lily May Dartford 2a 460 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Mar 1893 Bassett Lilian May Gravesend 2a 541 Georgina.

Thank you all for replying her name is Lilian May Bassett and when she married George Vallins in 1915 she was 23, so that puts her dob around 1892 ish. She married in Orpington, Kent. She was born In and around the Kent area. On her Marraige certificate it has her address as Lone Barn Farm Orpington. Her Fathers name on her Marraige certificate is William James Bassett.

Barbara, the father's occupation on the marriage certificate is not always his occupation at the time of the marriage; sometimes it is what his occupation was before he retired, or what his occupation was when the child was born. Also, I have come across several people in my family tree who took on a more menial type of occupation after they retired from their original career. But it does seem possible that you have the wrong birth cert given the difference in father's name and occupation. If you post up your great-grandmother's name etc. perhaps we can help to sort it out. Kate.

Barbara can you give us your Great Nans name, date & place of birth. Georgina.

My gg-grandfather was a Master Butcher on his marriage and death certs. As far as I can see he never did that job! He was a carter, a gardener, a fly master, a porter and a printer, but never a butcher! Merry

I have marriage certs where the Father is Deceased but the occupation is still given, so I don't think age is an Issue could have been the last Occupation or as been mentioned they did work to a ripe old age. Tracy

I had one who caused me a lot of head-scratching - he had wildly different jobs on each census, on each of his children's marriage certs and so on - never the same job twice, but all were fairly 'managerial', and one stated that he was a Partner in a Paper Mill. So when I got the death cert and it said he was a Gardener, I assumed I had the wrong man. Ages later, I found a Parish Magazine with an Obituary for this man. He had indeed been a Partner in a paper mill, but after his retirement, he became a professional gardener, in the design sense rather than the digging sense. OC

I have several instances of chaps who changed occupation with every census, between baptisms of their children, or between births of children. As for being too old, virtually every ancestor I have worked until they dropped, whether in their 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s or 80s. There was no old age pension then, and certainly the labouring classes wouldn't have had much to spare to save up for retirement. nell

I have seen a few people who have had skilled or semi-skilled work most of their lives, doing labouring jobs well into their 70's. Remember there was no welfare state, and not many people had pensions in those days. Kath. x

i wouldn'ty have thought it would have been to old perhaps he just did odd jobs around farm Jeanette

What's her name? And how old was she when she married and whereabouts in the country???? Merry