Genealogy Chat

I have been studying these census all day, and still not come to any conclusion. What with Roberts disappearence on the 1851 and there no male head of house, I'am sure they were determined not to be found. At least I' am on the right track to sorting it. Thanks Jim for your help, I don't no how you found them, but great job Best wishes Cheryl

I think Fanny was born a Johnson 1961 census View Record Fanny Carruthers abt 1804 Sutton, Cheshire, England Head Macclesfield Cheshire View Record Mary A Carruthers abt 1839 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Daughter Macclesfield Cheshire View Record Esther Johnson abt 1813 Sutton, Cheshire, England Relative Macclesfield Cheshire View Record Ann Wardle abt 1794 Sutton, Cheshire, England Relative Macclesfield Cheshire zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 1851 census View Record Fanny Carruthers abt 1804 Sutton, Cheshire, England Head Macclesfield Cheshire View Record Mary Ann Carruthers abt 1839 Sutton, Cheshire, England Daughter Macclesfield Cheshire View Record Eston Johnson abt 1814 Sutton, Cheshire, England Sister Macclesfield Cheshire View Record Amy Wardle abt 1794 Sutton, Cheshire, England Sister-in-law Macclesfield Cheshire zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 1841 census View Record Fanny Carruthers abt 1806 Cheshire, England Prestbury Cheshire (daughter?) View Record Esther Johnson abt 1816 Cheshire, England Prestbury Cheshire (daughter?) View Record Martha Johnson abt 1776 Cheshire, England Prestbury Cheshire (mum?) View Record Nancy Wardle abt 1796 Cheshire, England Prestbury Cheshire (in law?) View Record Mary Ann Carruthers abt 1839 Cheshire, England Prestbury Cheshire (granddaughter?) View Record Robert Carruthers abt 1832 Cheshire, England Prestbury Cheshire (grandson?)

The only census I have Reg are 1871/81 and I have tied in 1841 although not 100% HO 107/132/5 The 1861 census Jim came up with is right as Robert was a fancy goods dealer and I have now looked up births and found most under the name carruthers Johnson Cheryl

did Robert and Elizabeth have children? if so send off for a birth cert and you will get Elizabeths maiden name, makes searching for marriage so much easier xx

Last night I found my Robert Carruthers on the 1841 along with his mother Fanny Carruthers and his sister Mary Ann Carruthers. I didn't really take much notice of the other names on the form, I was more into wanting to be able to read the name of the address. Looking at it again I find the names Ester Johnson and Martha Johnson. Surley they must be connected. What makes it more frustrating is the fact there is no head of the house. What a complicated family! Thanks for all your help, Cheryl

Yes, see what you mean, wonder if he's staying with relatives? Snowdrops

I think the clincher is they all have C after their first name (Carruthers)? But there is a son missing!!!

Well done Jim, That ties in the two names on the marriage register nicely. Now, as Cheryl says, why? Snowdrops

Hi Jim, All the names/dates/places fit but why would they change there name to Johnson? No wonder I was having problems finding them, this is somthing Iwill have to study. I have been trying to work out why Robert had 2 surnames but it did not cross my mind to look for Johnson in the census, this is somthing i will have to study. I am very grateful for your help. Cheryl

What do you think? 1861 census View Record Edward C Johnson abt 1860 Manchester Son Hulme Lancashire View Record Elizabeth C Johnson abt 1836 Newark, Nottinghamshire, England Wife Hulme Lancashire View Record Robert C Johnson abt 1834 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Head Hulme Lancashire View Record Robert C Johnson abt 1857 Manchester Son Hulme Lancashire View Record William C Johnson abt 1858 Manchester Son Hulme Lancashire

Thanks Jim, I do already have that census but did not think it would help because of the mis transcribed name thanks anyway Jim. Ihave not been able to find 1861 census if anybody could come up with that it would be a great help. Best wishes Cheryl

Thought i would post this 1871 census View Record Albert Carrashero abt 1862 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Son Hulme Lancashire View Record Charles Carrashero abt 1867 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Hulme Lancashire View Record Edward Carrashero abt 1859 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Hulme Lancashire View Record Elizabeth Carrashero abt 1835 Newark, Nottinghamshire, England Wife Hulme Lancashire View Record Emily Carrashero abt 1865 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Hulme Lancashire View Record Henry J Carrashero abt 1855 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Hulme Lancashire View Record Isabler Carrashero abt 1870 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Hulme Lancashire View Record Robert Carrashero abt 1833 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Head Hulme Lancashire View Record Robert Carrashero abt 1856 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Hulme Lancashire View Record William Carrashero abt 1857 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Hulme Lancashire

Your all amazing thank you so much for your help I feel sure you are right with Elizabeth Pullin. I would never have been able to work that out without your help thank you so much. I will order the marriage cert and hopfully fingers crossed its the right one. Best wishes from a very happy Cheryl :)

The Elizabeth Pullin marriage could be right - this could be her in 1851 Elizabeth Pullin abt 1836 Newark, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Newark on Trent Nottinghamshire

There is this marriage on Lancashire BMD for 1854, though: Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1854 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference CARRUTHERS * Robert C PULLIN Elizabeth Manchester, Gorton, St. James Manchester 56/1/41 Could that be them? The asterisk means there are alternative names, and when you click you get this alternative: JOHNSON Robert C PULLIN Elizabeth Manchester, Gorton, St. James Manchester 56/1/41 (So it looks as though this Robert had two different surnames, Carruthers and Johnson.) Kate.

Cheryl Lancashire bmd doesn't list a Robert Carruthers marrying any Elizabeth in 1855. It does however list a Robert C Carruthers marrying an Elizabeth Pullin in 1854 at St James in Gorton, Manchester. Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1854 CARRUTHERS Adam NICKSON Alice Manchester, St. Mary Manchester 9/8/382 CARRUTHERS * James ROLSTON Emma Middleton, St Leonard Rochdale CE20/6/111 CARRUTHERS * James ROLSTONE Emma Middleton, St Leonard Rochdale CE20/6/111 CARRUTHERS * Janet MAY James Toxteth Park, St. Clement Liverpool 2064TP/1/178 CARRUTHERS * Mary ROBERTS William Manchester, St. John Manchester STJ/13/422 CARRUTHERS * Robert C PULLIN Elizabeth Manchester, Gorton, St. James Manchester 56/1/41 CARRUTHERS Thomas BROOKS Eliza Liverpool, Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne Liverpool 2053LP/30/145 Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1855 CARRUTHERS * James DEMPSY Susan Manchester, St. Mary Manchester 9/9/180 CARRUTHERS * James MAYER Susan Manchester, St. Mary Manchester 9/9/180 CARRUTHERS William WALLWORK Selina Bury, St.Mary Bury CE7/15/415 Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1856 CARRUTHERS Charlotte CURRY Patrick Liverpool, Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne Liverpool 2053LP/33/353 CARRUTHERS Ellen SCOTT Thomas Oldham, St. Mary Oldham CE235/14/327 CARRUTHERS John BRERETON Ann Manchester, Whalley Range, St. Margaret Manchester 111/1/94 CARRUTHERS John WRIGHT Ellen Register Office or Registrar Attended, Wigan Wigan & Leigh ROW/11/9 CARRUTHERS * Mary Ann PEEL Thomas Leyland, St Andrew Preston 203/3/469 CARRUTHERS * Mary Anne PEEL Thomas Leyland, St Andrew Preston 203/3/469 CARRUTHERS Mary DRAYCOTT Thomas Preston, St John Preston 229/15/142 CARRUTHERS Mary ENTWISTLE John Walton le Dale, St Leonard Preston 240/3/135 CARRUTHERS Mary STOBEE Thomas Stretford, St Matthew Trafford CE23/1/34 CARRUTHERS Mary WINSTANLEY John Bacup, St Johns Preston SJBA/2/206 CARRUTHERS Sarah A BIRKETT John Liverpool, Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne Liverpool 2053LP/33/90 CARRUTHERS Sarah DICKIN Joseph Manchester, St. Mary Manchester 9/9/480 CARRUTHERS Thomas LOWERY Ellen Chorlton-on-Medlock Registar Attended Manchester CHO_RM/10/89 website address: http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.html Snowdrops

R11/3928 Robert Carruthers 1833 Cheshire Macclesfield Elizabeth Carruthers 1836 Newark Nottinghamshire Robert Carruthers 1857 Manchester Albert Carruthers 1862 Macclesfield Emily Carruthers 1864 Manchester Charles Carruthers 1866 Manchester Elizabeth Carruthers 1873 Newark Any help would be much appreciated Cheryl

Have you tried the Lancashirebmd site? Bride and grooms names are listed together. Heather

Have you found them together on the 1861 census - if so give us some details and we will see if we can find the marriage for you.

Look for a marriage for Robert on freebmd and if it's there click on page number which will give you names of people on that page and hope there's only one Elizabeth. Heather