Genealogy Chat

i have found my gt grandparents on the 1901 census. i also have found them when they were single on the 1881 census. but they are nowhere to be found on the 1891 census??? am i doing something really daft???? their single names were william lyons and catherine mcevoy. (catherines mum is margaret hinson b 1831 ireland) they were wed 1895 and always seem to be in the hulme lancashire are. they have children dorothy b 1896 annie b 1898 and mary b 1900 (my grandad later born 1903) just cant understand where im going wrong! any help/suggestions appreciated. thank you carolexx

What are their date/places of birth? There should be earlier children - I guess you have no idea of them?

sorry just updated they were married 1895 not 85 carolexx

So still single in 1891 then. What are their dates of birth and places of birth? Parents names/siblings names?

dob william lyons 1871 hulme lancs catherine mcevoy 1870 hulme lancs still checking but so far i think williams parents were edward lyons b 1834 ireland and ann ???? b 1837 ireland catherines mother was margaret hinson but her step dad was peter hinson carolexx

Carole, could you let us have a bit more info re the families they should be with or have you found their families but not them? There are so many with this name we need more direction. The only one I can see at moment is a Frederick William and he is with a family whose head is Thomas. Right just seen your update - both sets of parents have Irish connections? Do you think may be they were in Ireland at that time? Is it both families that you cant find? Who was with William in 1881 if you dont know who dad is? I cant see a Wm born 1871 Hulme on the 1881 - can you copy and paste it on the thread please?

Found on the IGI but not on ancestry,possibe for William? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Edward LYON Head M Male 47 Ireland Labourer Ann LYON Wife M Female 40 Ireland Michael LYON Son Male 23 Warrington, Lancashire, England Carter Martin LYON Son Male 18 Warrington, Lancashire, England Hooker (C) Polly LYON Daur Female 16 Hulme Manchester India Rubber Cutter Edward LYON Son Male 13 Hulme Manchester Scholar William LYON Son Male 10 Hulme Manchester Scholar Annie LYON Daur Female 7 Hulme Manchester Scholar Mathew LYON Son Male 2 Hulme Manchester -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 6 Mount St Census Place Hulme, Lancashire, England Family History Library Film 1341937 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 3924 / 105 Page Number 26 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Glen

in 1901 i found william & catherine and 3 daughters in 1881 census found catherine mcevoy living with her mum margaret and stepdad peter hinson and siblings william i am having trouble with in 1881 and cant find any of either families in 1891. sorry im being dim, im so new to this and trying my best! lol carolexx

Ok, you said you had found them in 1881 - I couldnt see William in 1881 on ancestry but luckily Glen has found him on the LDS 1881 census - well done Glen - not just a pretty kilt. See the 1881 above with William (just shows you how much may be missing on ancestry, doesnt it)

This is the only William Lyons who appears 1901 census with Hulme in Keyword: Address 8 Shakespeare Row,South Manchester Lancashire William is a joiner's labourer. William Lyons abt 1871 Hulme, Lancashire, England Head Catherine Lyons abt 1870 Hulme, Lancashire, England Wife Dorothy Lyons abt 1896 Manchester, Lancashire, Daughter Annie Lyons abt 1898 Manchester, Lancashire, Daughter Mary Lyons abt 1900 Manchester, Lancashire, Daughter Margaret Hinson abt 1831 Dublin, Ireland Mother-in-law

ok, another dippy question coming... whats that igi census glen? thanx carolexx

Glen used familysearch.org - its free for the 1881 census and also for searching parish records for births, marriages and deaths before the 1837 registration. It has been compiled by the Mormon Church and is very useful.

The family search website,run by the LDS church.. They only have the 1881 census but sometimes when the census is transcribed mistakes do occur,names are mis-spelt etc. Sometimes a name like Lyons could be Lyon,Lion,Line,Sion when the results come up,but spelt correctly on the image. Still looking for something in the '91,will post any result i find. Glen

Carole, because the name can be mistranscribed is why I was asking the names of the rest of the family. If this happens, you can often just enter the details of one member of the family except for the surname. If you get an unusual name to enter, all the better, put in dob and pob and no surname and then see if it comes up mistranscribed. As Glen said L is often mistranscribed as an S and so on. There is also a chance that his dad died between the census and mum remarried and William has been entered under the stepfathers name.

Ref numbers only,and the image is a bit dodgy. The head of the house looks like born in Tipperary 1891 England Census Record about William Lyons Name: William Lyons Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1871 Relation: Nephew Gender: Male Where Born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Crumpsall Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Town: Manchester County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Source information: RG12/3265 Registration district: Prestwich Sub registration district: Cheetham ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Folio: 47 Page: 22 (click to see others on page) just heading back to the image now to try and read it. Glen

I saw that one Glen but not Hulme as birth place? Though perhaps uncle didnt know?

Carole, have you looked for the fathers death and mothers possible remarriage?

just found on the 1891 census that edward was a widower living with one of his sons- martin so ann mustve died between 1881 census and 1891 census? carolexx

I did plump for that one with the Head of house being Irish born,and Cheetham is as close to Hulme as you can get. The household as transcribed by ancestry,(and i still think it's Tipperary) View Record William Lyons abt 1871 Manchester, Lancashire, England Nephew Crumpsall Lancashire View Record Elizabeth Mc Grath abt 1875 Crumpsall, Lancashire, England Daughter Crumpsall Lancashire View Record Mary Mc Grath abt 1837 Galway, Ireland Wife Crumpsall Lancashire View Record Mary Mc Grath abt 1872 Crumpsall, Lancashire, England Daughter Crumpsall Lancashire View Record Patrick Mc Grath abt 1841 Greathurst Kibperany Head Crumpsall Lancashire Note William is down as nephew,suggesting a possible McGrath/Lyons marriage somewhere? Glen

that certainly looks the most promising. thanx glen and heather. i will have to knuckle down and try and do siblings etc....lol thanx soooooo much for all your help. onward we go...! carolexx