Genealogy Chat

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Gwen are you saying you hae a John Wyatts who is connected to you who died during the war and you have now found a list with several John Wyatts on and how do you know which one is yours? Have you looked at the CWGC site? There are often extra details on there which will allow you to identify the correct soldier. Once you have those details it's Kew for their records, if they have survived. You can download his medal card (once identified) for £3.50 and eventually (no actual timeframe just yet) you will be able to download his records on line (if they've surviived, but until then it's a physical look I'm afraid. Snowdrops website address for you: http://www.cwgc.org/

how do I start to find out about war dead records I have found several records as the name is not uncommon . How do I prove which one is my relly. Sorry if you think this is a silly question but this is my first relly in the Army.

I have found the details from the CWG site and not sure which one is my rellie as they do not show a date of birth. So were do I look to find out?

Gwen I shall have a look at the site for you - do you have any information on him such as his mum and dad's name or his wife's name if he was married. His date of birth or where he lived? Snowdrops

Sorry but having trouble with this site it keeps putting my messages on twice. John Wyatt was born in 1882 in Bethnal Green his parents were were Frederick & Ann Wyatt (Nee Bennet). I have found the family on all the census but John was missing on the 1901 census. Is this enough information. Gwen

Gwen I shall go and have a look for you now.

Thanks you so much, I am sorry I do not know if he was married I suspect he was but as yet I have not been able to find marriage details. Gwen

Gwen there are 34 J Wyatt's listed as having died in WWI. Iv'e been through all of them and cannot locate your John. However, this doesn't mean that he's not there. Of the 34 men listed they have an age listed as well, some of them don't and neither do they have any other personal details (6 of them are like this on the first page of 15). What this means is that no other details were given at the time of it being compiled. What I suggest you do is go through the list and get the details of all those it could be and then work your way through them. It's going to be a long job but the only way of doing it I'm afraid. If you click on the man's name (highlited in red on the left) it takes you through to their personal details. Snowdrops

Thanks I have narrowed it down to two on the CWGC site as the age at death tied in. So what is the next stage? I did look on the Military Gen Family History war casualty site whcih came up with one possible the charge is 50p but the min charge is £5.00 so I thought It seemed a waste to pay £5.00 when I need to look at only one record. Gwen

If you go on 1837 - you can look up the details - Also you can look them up on the National Roll of Honour. I haven't looked at them all as I need to buy more credits but there are only 4 possibles on the National Roll of Honour and that usually gives an address There is this one on the death list Name: WYATT, John Regiment, Corps etc.: Household Cavalry and Cavalry of the Line (incl. Yeomanry and Imperial Camel Corps) Battalion etc.: 1st Dragoons (Royals). Surname: Wyatt Forename(s): John Initials: J Birthplace: Bethnal Green, London Enlisted: Dalston Residence: Hackney Rank: SERGT. Number: 4950 Date died: 12 October 1914 How died: Died Theatre of war: Home Supplementary Notes: Soldiers Died in the Great War database © Naval and Military Press Ltd 2006. This may not be the one but I am sure he will be one of the 4 on Roll of Honour - Worth a try. Dea x

Gwen I don't think the two you have got are the right ones. If they have an age at death listed on the front page they also have extra details (such as wife's name and/or mum and dads name when you click on their name highlighted in red). You should be looking at all the men who DON'T have an age listed which will give you quite a list I expect (somewhere around 10/12 maybe). Once you have their names and all other details possible from that front page (if you click on their highlighted names no other relatives names come up on the next page) you then need to start looking for all their records at Kew - if they've survived!! As I said it'll be a long slog. Snowdrops

Thanks you so much that is the one I narrowed it down to but was not sure if it was the right one as I did not have many details. how do I go about proving this is the correct one? Thanks Gwen

So from what Dea has just put on it could be the first one in the list - it looks like he was married to Mary and lived in Birmingham. Go on the site and you can print off the certificate. Then it's Kew But you'll need to confirm it's him - possibly by the marriage certificate. Snowdrops

I was always told that we had a great uncle Jack who was in the army and his wife was Mary as there is a photo in the family album of them together on a tour of duty in South Africa. Do you think that it is possible that he called himself Jack. There are 11 boys in this family and so far not found one called Jack. May be this is the one but cannot figure out where Birmingham comes in. Gwen

Thank you both i will have to start looking for a marriage and look in to going to Kew never been before so it should be fun!!!!! Gwen

My uncle Jack was definitely a 'John' at birth. Dea x

Gwen if this is your man it would explain a lot of things. This particular gentleman died quite soon after the war started and is buried in Tidworth (could be he never even got as far as fighting). If he is your uncle, taking into account he had a rank of sergeant he would have had to have been in the army a while (ie not just joined up for the war). This then could be why your uncle isn't on the 1901 census - because he was on his tour of South Africa. Birmingham could come into it because being in the army he would have been stationed elsewhere/did his training there/anywhere. It answers quite a few questions. The only way to be sure is get the marriage certificate - oh and yes, John's are often called Jack. Snowdrops

Thanks to you both for your help I must go as I have lots to do. I think I will go on the next trip to Kew that GRU arrange and the the more experienced members will be able to point me in the right direction. Thanks again Gwen

To h*** with it I couldn't stand the suspense so I bought some units - I think there is only one possible - I don't know the area - Is he likely to have been living in Pagnell St., New Cross, S.E. 4? If you send me your e-mail, I could send you the image. Dea x